Tylerr wrote on 08/30/15 at 08:21:13:

this isnt mkboards, trolling doesnt get you anything but a ban (unless you are jaws)

Nosey wrote on 08/30/15 at 16:16:42:

Alright, well in your first post you're basically saying that if I want this time to count I should just go set a new one, which isn't really the point here.  I don't "care so much about this WR" I "care so much" about being unbanned, I have other tracks that I play and new ones I want to play but its all for nothing if my times don't count on any leaderboards.  Just a few days ago I got the AR on BC and I got 6th reg on gv2 last night, I also have a few other old times that would be on tops but aren't because I got banned without concrete evidence.  I already explained in my other posts the hostile attitude, it was because I was tired of being called a cheater all the time, I was a lot more serious about gaming back then and didn't just brush that shit off like I do now.  While I have been playing DKM quite a bit to get videos and streams of me playing to prove my legitimacy, asking me to improve my WR to have all my past times counted is really unreasonable, especially on a track as hard as that.  And who's to say that new WR will even count?  What if people just say shit like "well your past WR probably wasn't legit so this one won't count either lol" Fact of the matter is, I want all my times to be counted on leaderboards, and all people wanted from me was for me to stream DKM to show my skill there, I delivered that already so I'm looking to take the next step into getting my times counted, not sit here and talk about how I acted like a dumb kid a few years ago if anyone questioned my skill.

As far as the old WR goes, I agree with Nosey that it doesn't really matter what Tyler does at this point. The thing is, two and a half years is a very long time, and a lot can change in that span. (For me personally, two and a half years is longer than the span of my entire active MKW career on this site, during which I started off outside the Top 100 and eventually made it to the Top 10 without ever progressing unusually quickly.) Refusal to cooperate should not be rewarded with years of extra time in which to practice and improve. If Tyler's recent streams show WR potential, that only proves that he has that kind of potential now; it doesn't prove that he was as capable years ago.

Bottom line, I don't think the 2:00.9xx run should be accepted--not as a two-and-a-half-year WR, and not as a brand-new WR either. It's simply too late to do anything about it now. The only thing left now is to decide whether or not to accept Tyler's recent and future times.

I don't feel like I can say too much about this, as I wasn't completely around (even though I clearly remember when it took place). There's good arguments against him; but his responses also aren't lacking sense to me. For the most part, I agree with what Silver's been saying, and bits and pieces of what was mentioned as a response to Troy. But there's one thing that I think really should be considered; was Tyler treated fairly?

The community/game has been through rough times, that's for sure, but that's also when it kinda gets out of hand (for instance: me taking a lot of crap due to what several people have done before, when I'm after all, just an innocent player. Some players sort of gets to pay for what others have done. Within a short time, Tyler was not only removed, but also banned. When do we ban people? When there is proof. Yeah, there are times when you "know" what's obvious to be cheated, and it's hard to not think that way with this case. But the innocent until proven guilty still stands, in my opinion. If Tyler were to be banned (without 100% proof) and not pending, why wouldn't Serxio be? As far as I know, he was only pending.

When someone as well known as Tyler gets banned, it will create bad reactions and a horrible reputation for him. That would suit him well, but only if there ever was proof that he cheated. And was there proof, and not assuming? It's up to one themselves to decide whether or not they think he cheated - but there's still no fact. Banned is a fact, pending isn't. The one who knows the truth is Tyler.

I'm not really picking any sides and I'd rather stay outside of this, but what I'm trying to say that many/some of PP's acts surely are to blame, too. Had the case been dealt with like Jeff's case, I think things would've been different. It's been hell'a long time yeah, but as mentioned - what do we want? Accurate charts or duration/days of holding WRs? Besides, had Tyler been a pending player and not banned, I (atleast) would play the track with the fact that he could prove himself soon in mind (that's how I see it - might seem flawed to some. Hence why my goal on DKM has always been a 2:00)

It's a rather complicated case and it'll be "unfair" whatever way it might go, by looks of it. Personally, I don't mind the fact that I'll lose like 200+ days, again, that seems to just be me. Also, just throwing that out there: when it comes to DKM, you never know what might happen. I've failed a few 1:59 runs while my PR was still at a 2:04, if not 2:03. The track's pretty damn inconsistent, even when it comes to being inconsistent (if that makes sense). You just never know. It's a hard track with a rather weak WR (no offense - it's the track), why shouldn't one be able to cut quite a bit off their time? Despite the time it might take. Tyler also could've played the track for those 3 months if that's what is was. Keep in mind that I went from a 2:05 to 2:01.202 in three weeks, with the potential for 1:59.2.

As stated, I'd rather keep outside of the case but I thought I'd let my opinion out to be considered, and please do. Y'all know that PP's (and I mean parts of, not everyone) way of doing some stuff surely have turned out to be negative.

Also, I hate mentioning it, but where's the consistency of the community? Ruso shouldn't even be on the WR site...? Unrelated, but no harm in mentioning (even though I'd rather not, believe me...)

MrL1193 wrote on 08/30/15 at 23:23:38:

Hi, you must have missed it in my earlier posts, but tbf I was quite unclear.  I didn't have any time to "practice and improve" because I haven't touched the track since around the time the WR was set.  Over the past year and a few months I've been playing MK8 really actively setting WRs on that game, and I only just recently came back to this game with the intention to prove myself so I can be accepted on both games, rather than being amazing at one where cheats don't exist, and having everyone think I'm a cheater on the other.

m8 wrote on 08/31/15 at 01:54:52:


My main other tracks have always been CM (glitch) and BC, I've had a very long history on these 2, BC was a track I played years and years ago back when the glitch was first discovered and continued to progress, and CM I played a ton once the escalator glitch was found.  I have a very long history on both of these tracks and I've even streamed a lot of BC recently, hitting AR splits and driving very consistently.  I'm even really well known online for doing the glitch in wars all the time.

Some of my thoughts about this:

Whether he cheats or not, IMO we made the right decision to not count his WR in 2013 because he failed to prove himself and had an bad attitude about it. It just seemed like he didn't take the game seriously, so most people, including myself, thought he was TASing.

Was he treated fairly? I agree with Fox that he shouldn't have been on Zak's ban list, since there was not enough proof to ban him. And it is possible that joke hacking in 2v2 ruined his reputation in this game and made people treat him unfairly. But it was up to him to prove himself and he didn't, so it was fair to not count his time.

His explanation for the license thing does seem plausible. But IMO that was not the main reason his time didn't count, it was the attitude and poor stream.

But since there was no hard proof he cheated, he should still be able to prove himself even if it's 2.5 years later.

For DKM, his WR fail video and protocol session are a good start, but I feel like he would need to do more streams to completely prove himself on that track.
I would believe his old DKM time if he streamed some really good sessions, WR fails, or of course, a WR on stream.
And if he does that, I would be open to counting his old WR with an August 2015 date.

But that is a lot to ask for on an inconsistent track. In my opinion he has "partially" proven his DKM. Since there was not hard proof he cheated, I think it would be fine if his new PRs on other tracks count on the top 10s. For DKM, I think more streams are needed before it counts.

Cole wrote on 08/31/15 at 12:59:42:

Hi, thanks for your input.  I'm fine with this being the case as I mostly wanted all my other times to count, I'll continue streaming DKM to get that one counted as well but having my name cleared for the most part is what I wanted.

Tylerr wrote on 08/31/15 at 12:25:01:

I am not saying this as an insult, but to me, it doesn't really matter how much you say you practiced during the intervening time simply because there is no way to verify it. Provided that you can demonstrate your skill on stream now, I would not object to your being reinstated from this point forward, but you have to understand that I cannot accept your performance now as a reflection of your skill at that time. There is simply too much of a gap; it's like comparing two different players. Whether your performance now is better (because you practiced), worse (because you're rusty), or at the same level (because you practiced minimally, or because you lied before and then practiced until your skills caught up to your claims), it doesn't prove anything about that old time.

So with all that in mind, I am opposed to the idea of listing it as the WR from this point onward because that would imply that something about the case changed around this time, when in fact present-day streams should not have an influence on it. Either it was the WR all along or it was never the WR; either sufficient evidence was provided for it at the time or it was not. The events of August 2015 do not enter into it.

Why cant this guy just do another, more convincing live stream

Tylerr wrote on 09/01/15 at 09:56:21:


You can start by actually following every step of the protocol correctly.

Rhodechill wrote on 09/01/15 at 14:10:58:


I didn't think it was that hard to read that Fox and Silver allowed him to do the protocol the way he did @Rhode(no)chill

Expect a lengthy post when school ends.

Why is the WR topic locked?  It should never be locked.