Hello, a few years ago on March 7th 2013 I set a WR on DKM with a time of 2:00.974.

Many people doubted my legitimacy on this track due to the huge time cut and my reputation as an online player, many people who played vs me online thought I was a cheater, which led people from the time trial community to believe I cheated time trials as well.  I didn't take this very well, I was already dealing with being called a cheater every time I played online, and now it was happening in time trials so I was very rude when responding to people, but I've changed a lot since then and realize my wrong-doing.

Before setting this time, I had good time trials on BC and CM, a few others but mainly those 2.  Nobody ever doubted my legitimacy on those tracks, or asked me to stream.  I really feel like a lot of this negative attention was because I beat Troy, and I feel like I was treated very unfairly for this.

A couple years back I was really nervous about streaming, I didn't like playing in front of people and I was scared of making mistakes, I wanted to prove myself but I was scared to.  I remember doing a 30 minute session or so where most of the time I couldn't even make it past the first turn because I was way too nervous of playing in front of people.

Over time through playing MK8 and achieving a lot of WRs on that game, I got less nervous about playing in front of people, and even set some of my WRs on that game streaming to others in a call.  Thanks to this, I was able to return to this game after a few years and attempt to prove myself, regain my reputation, and get my times counted.

I started off by streaming BC to get used to playing in front of people, many viewers were impressed with my skills there and a lot of people who doubted this time because of my DKM time complimented me about my BC skills and said they really wanted to see me play DKM.

Well, I picked up the track the other night and started practicing the glitch again, it's been a while so I was a little rusty, but sure enough I regained my skill and started making some videos and streaming some sessions, some people from the PP chat were impressed and wanted me to do the protocol stream.  I was a bit iffy on racing a ghost because I'm really bad vs a ghost on DKM, but I got permission from Fox and Silver to race against the staff ghost, so I finally got around to doing it, and I'm quite proud of the results, I even managed to hit a 40.1 lap 1 after just 5 minutes of playing.

The videos/streams I would like reviewed to prove my legitimacy are

DKM WR Fail (on CTGP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgKGsa4f_I

DKM Protocol (1 hour): http://www.twitch.tv/tyle_rr/v/13296967

Thanks for reading, I hope to change a lot of peoples' opinions with this and finally be accepted as a legitimate TTer.  

I have no idea who the fuck this guy even is.

Post links of what lead to him being banned in the first place...I'd like to read em'. Obviously if there was no evidence on only suspicion you shouldn't ban him on that account. Like that new WR on RPB, that looks suspicious as fuck, but you shouldn't ban/rid the guy of his WR until it's proven he cheated.

I think regardless of how long it's been, Tyler's provided substantial proof that he's capable of hitting a 2:00.974 and even more. The run should be counted.

Sorozone wrote on 08/29/15 at 15:09:34:


This was the video of Shwam's rDK Mountain run we are talking about: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSy4Y7BiPYE. Just thought it would help others who haven't heard of this understand what we are talking about.

Sword wrote on 08/29/15 at 17:33:32:

Hello, I cleared up the reasons as to why I didn't stream to prove myself in my opening post, but I'll give some insight on the license thing since I forgot to talk about that.  I always had 1-2 licenses with 3 stars and max vr, I warred a lot and a lot of people didn't want to play me because they thought I cheated.  When someone would refuse to play me, I'd simply generate a new fc on one of the licenses, play the war under a different name, and delete it after.  As for the twitch recording, yes this was at a time where twitch automatically deleted past broadcasts, because all past broadcasts I had were my IL startups which I kept around as long as they'd last.  Since all those old startups are gone I couldn't go back to find other timeframes of me having the licenses without fcs but it was something I did for years, and only had to stop doing recently due to playing with white line on CTGP becoming a thing, which actually led to a lot of people in the warring side of the game ending up respecting me and no longer thinking I cheated a few years back.  

Also you referred to me playing MK8 in your post as "running away to another game", I saw MK8 as a completely new game I was interested in playing, and a fresh start.  I really enjoyed playing it and still do so I don't see it as "running away" at all, I would've picked up the game and played it as much as I did regardless of my rep in the MKW community.

Well, never thought I’d have to relive this disaster again but here we are 2.5 years later.

Lmao.

Tylerr wrote on 08/29/15 at 09:58:45:


This is really funny that you use this as your argument on why you were not counted on the leaderboards. Like, it’s actually hilarious.

But let’s just say you are being serious for the sake of it. Your time not counting didn’t have to do anything with me.  It was all on you.

So… let’s go back a bit.

Shwam (aka Tylerr) gets a 2:03.207 back in December 2012. Less than 3 months later, he gets 2:00.973 with no improvements inbetween. On top of that, he took a hiatus from playing the game for a while right before he got the record. He literally got this time within 48 hours of coming back to playing MKW. It was out of nowhere.

He was not racing a ghost, he got the time on a licence that did not submit to the leaderboards so Cole couldn’t check the ghost or his PB progress and it wasn’t streamed. On top of all that, he wasn’t exactly a trustworthy player. He was known to dabble around with cheats online. I have a first hand example I can talk about revolving him and item hacks but I don’t think it’s really necessary to explain this further because rusoX has admitted to cheating online in the past way back and his times are still counted. Wifi cheating =/= TT cheating in this community.

The point is, there was nothing pointing towards it being legitimate. He then did one proof stream after being questioned where he failed to get any low 40 second laps (his run has 3 of these consecutively) and he spent half the time going for Flaps after messing up. I didn’t see this live but I watched the recording of it on Twitch which I believe no longer exists.

The main reason after all of this on why it wasn’t counted is that on his stream recording, Cole noticed that Shwam had deleted the licence that his DKM 2:00.973 ghost was on so Cole didn’t trust him and decided not to count the time on his site. Sword (right above) has more details on that).

Shwam had a pretty bad attitude during this whole thing. He even accused me during the whole thing which is one of the main reasons I’m not particularly fond of him.

So yeah, after that he kind of just disappeared again. I don’t know what he did. I know he’s very active now and has been no-lifing Mario Kart 8 for the past year along with playing MKW wifi but quite frankly, I’m not too involved with the community anymore so I can’t be any more detailed than that.

DJT wrote on 08/29/15 at 12:04:37:


This means nothing for many reasons. DKM is one of the most inconsistent tracks out of all of them which is why the record is so unoptimized and just like every time trial track and anyone who has ever time trialed before, you’re never going to be able to reach your full potential on a track (splits-wise). Glitches make it even harder to do so.

A quick perspective. Hunter (aka Winbag) told me the other day how he has gotten lap1’s that give him potential for 2:00.xxx. His time is 2:03.7xx. Same goes for Thomas and his time is 2:02.5xx. The point is that this isn’t a track where you’re able to just easily reach your potential and get an extremely consistent 2:00.9xx time like it’s nothing.

Heck, Fox and I have splits for 1:59.6xx or even better and our times are 2:01.090 and and 2:01.202.

DJT wrote on 08/29/15 at 12:04:37:


Like, did you even think about how unfair this is for a single second?

You’re implying that his record should be counted (keep in mind, it was never counted on Cole’s site to begin with) and I should lose 600+ days of having WR on DK Mountain and Fox should lose 200+ days along with 2 records each.

Yeah, that’s totally fair. Let’s reward this kid's behavior with 800+ days of free WR reign when everyone else is under the impression (affecting mainly me and Fox) that the WR is actually held by us during that time period. Of course, we have way less motivation to beat 2:00.9xx when it isn’t even a counted time.

Long story short, counting that time makes literally no sense. It’s too late.

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The whole point of this post:

The community ultimately decides everything. Whether this community decides to trust this kid or not is up to the community and I have very little say on whether or not you guys want to count the times that gets and is able to prove. Even though there isn’t really any proof his current run is legit, there is also no solid evidence he cheated his run so if he gets a WR time now while racing a ghost/streaming then “innocent until proven guilty” I guess would be fair.

However, I strongly believe it would be the most unfair thing ever to count his 2:00.9xx time for reasons stated above in my response.

With all that being said, if it’s not obvious enough, I truly don’t believe his run is legitimate at all. In fact, I don’t even trust the kid enough to believe his 2:03.xxx is legit. Is it possible he’s skilled enough to get WR now? Sure.

But all in all, this is a huge headache. I enjoy the healthy competition for times between players I know are legit like Chaos, Fox and Thomas but I can’t say I’ll have any interest in going for a record against someone like him. Sounds like no fun.

Troy wrote on 08/29/15 at 18:06:28:

Hi, just thought I'd clear it up that I never deleted the license that my time was set on, my time was set on my main license and the licenses that were deleted were disposable licenses used for warring online, all my time trials were always set on my main license.  As for consistency, driving and glitch consistency alone is enough to get you a time eventually, it took me a really long time to get 2:00.9 but I eventually did it, even with a lot of driving mistakes.  I even had a WR fail the other day which I uploaded to youtube, so I don't see how you can base your argument on "well he only got one lap 1 lol!"

Also worth noting that 3 months was plenty of time to improve my driving and the parts before and after the glitch, things that my 2:03 lacked.  You said it yourself, the track is inconsistent.  I never managed to PR between the 2:03 and the 2:00.9, although my splits and potential significantly increased while playing between the 2 PRs.  If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

Despite my high respects for Silver it looks like he was a bit too lenient with the protocol on Tyler.

Everything about Troy's post is spot on perfect speculation and reasonable doubt. Like Troy said, from his stream he made the glitch like once, twice, maybe thrice?  Still not much, even I make it that often and have no chance of actually getting Wr on that track.

I think it's fair to ask Tyler to stream again.  He's got to start making the glitch more consistently with faster glitch times.  Making it once is nothing compared to 3/3.  I know he said he gets nervous, so as viewers we might have to bear with him; we might have to watch his stream for 3 hours or something before he starts getting consistent glitches or w/e cause he claims he's nervous.

does anybody remember the "runescape > mkw" segment from the stream?

lmfao

Tylerr wrote on 08/29/15 at 19:26:08:


no they aren't

Troy wrote on 08/29/15 at 18:06:28:

k bye
best part of the post:
This means nothing for many reasons. DKM is one of the most inconsistent tracks out of all of them which is why the record is so unoptimized and just like every time trial track and anyone who has ever time trialed before, you’re never going to be able to reach your full potential on a track (splits-wise). Glitches make it even harder to do so.

Okay, so while you seem like a nicer dude now, doesn't mean that we're going to magically forget about your rubbish behaviour a few years ago - you need to accept the fact that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions (also you said you 'realized your wrongdoing', but haven't actually apologized in this thread - shit like this drives me up the wall), and start feeling a little less entitled.

Given your defensive and peculiar behaviour as described by Cole at the time you set this record, it's my opinion that no amount of 'proof' that you can give about your skill now can possibly be sufficient to legitimize your past WR.
And honestly I'll be fucking shocked if any of you guys with more power than me make a decision in the opposite direction.

One last thing, if you care so much about this WR, and have the skills to get it, then stop whining and go and TT some more - proving your skill now will mean that if you set a WR, then you'll be accepted as a legit player, and the past can be forgotten.

Nosey wrote on 08/30/15 at 04:20:23:

Hi, I wasn't whining at all, and I've also actively been trying to improve this WR.  That being said, I don't see why you had to come in here and be so rude.  I think while I'm time trialing away you should close the laptop and go hug your family, maybe some love will make you less bitter.