Course	1st	2nd	3rd	Total	WR diff	Coins	Shrooms	Setup
rLR	36"371	34"385	32″026	1′42″782	(−″081)	[10-0-0]	{0-0-3}	MM + BD + RM + PG/SW
	Sun	Sun	Sun
rBC1 NG	24″942	23″059	22"672	1′10″673	(−″542)	[9-1-0]	{0-1-2}	BW + BD + Slick + GG
	Silver	Silver	Silver
rBC1 G	24"286	22"893	23"235	1′10"415	(−″258)	[9-4-0]	{2-1-0}	BW + BD + Slick + FG
	TAK	mume	Silver
rMG	32"064	30″473	30″240	1′32″777	(−″890)	[9-1-0]	{1-1-1}	BW + BD + Slick + FG/PP
	Samuel	Samuel	Weisse
rLM NG	35"359	34"000	33″778	1′43″137	(−″144)	[8-2-0]	{1-1-1}	WR + BD + RM + BG/GG
	Weisse	Weisse	FinalFight
rLM G	36″274	32″671	31″430	1′40″428	(−″735)	[9-1-0]	{0-1-2}	BW + BD + RM + BG/GG
	えさ	Marv	Marv
rKTB	30"997	29"543	29″543	1′30″083	(−″231)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Slick + SG
	Ray	Ray	Ray
rMC2	24"256	21"685	21″918	1′07"859	(−″223)	[10-0-0]	{2-1-0}	WR + BD + Mushroom + FG
	Yacine	Yacine	Yacine
rCM	39"815	38″168	38″106	1′56″089	(−″250)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Slick + GG/SG
	Xins	Ray	Adro
rWP	44"323	43″247	43″341	2′10″911	(−″202)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Slick + PG/FG
	Thomas	Wolf	mume
rKD	32"359	30″889	30″889	1′34″137	(−″084)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	WR + Bruiser + RM + GG
	きゃわ	きゃわ	きゃわ
rDKP	39″476	38″575	38″575	1′56″626	(−″581)	[9-1-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + B7 + RM + GG/SG
	Diogo	Diogo	Diogo
rDC NG	29″648	28"247	28″429	1′26″324	(−″073)	[9-1-0]	{0-2-1}	BW/HQ + BD + Slick + PG/PP/FG
	Weisse	Nicola	Nicola
rDC G	23″565	23″610	23″254	1′10″429	(−″709)	[2-2-0]	{1-1-1}	TD + KC + Slick + SW/FG
	Diogo	Diogo	レイヴァー
rMT NG	46″557	44″292	45"011	2′15"860	(−1″129)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Slick + SG/BG
	Toad	Diogo	Glooba
rMT G	36"822	35"633	35"633	1′48″088	(−″626)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	BW + BD + Slick + BG
	Samuel	Jacob	Jacob
rKC NG	43″871	41″290	41″290	2′06″451	(−″365)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + B7 + RM + FG/SW
	Coco	Coco	Coco
rKC G	42″122	42″174	42″155	2′06″451	(−″166)	[9-1-0]	{3-0-0}	MM + B7 + RM + BG/PG
	Coco	Coco	Coco
rDDJ	37″218	36″183	36"070	1′49″371	(−″402)	[8-2-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Slick + SW
	Weisse	Jacob	Weisse
rAF	38"928	37"517	37″517	1′53″962	(−″173)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	MM + BD + Mushroom + FG
	Weisse	Ray	Ray
rRR	24″752	23″887	24″043	1′12″682	(−″266)	[10-0-0]	{1-1-1}	HQ/WR + BD + Slick + PP
	Metro	Mr.L	Mr.L

~~ Additional Times ~~
rMG Lap 1 with gap jump + 10 coins: 32″500 by Samuel
rLM 9-1-0: 35"482 by FF 33″925 by Adro
rCM Lap 2 tie: 38"168 by Ray and Eve

Wouter:

MW no glitch sec 1:      20″633      sec 3:      31″465      

MW glitch      sec 2:      12″150      

rDC Lap 2 28"263

DKJ Lap 1 - 39.204

HQ/BD/Slick/BG

rMG L1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITCs8U5mY0
rLM L1 35.449 Weisse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts36t4EyQJA&t=16s
rBC1 G L2 22.942 TvK, he got it in his 1:11.030 (check WR history)
rBC1 G L3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GNxiCrULPQ&t=1m18s
rMC2 L3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXCTSKC3Cpc&t=53s (vid linked doesn't have time stamp)
rCM L1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnn9IO4-p2E&t=25s
rWP L2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaTSI6diXrQ&t=59s
rWP L3 43.364 mume: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkdG5U1gXMY&t=1m44s
rDC G L1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-A1F_MJuv8&t=24s
rDC G L3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAki9BuhSHI&t=58s
rKC L2 41.290 Coco, I know it shows BKS as 41.289 but there's a possibility that it could be a typo since he made 41.298 at one point and the last BKS he posted before he disappeared was 41.290
rKC G L2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdB2y0lSXW8&t=1m5s
rKC G L3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdB2y0lSXW8&t=1m47s
rAF L1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcKaMa5vwQ
For rAF L3 idk why it's slower than L2 since both laps can be just as fast now that the WR goes to the left of the boxes after the u-turn so that the flame positions aren't a problem

That's all I can find for retro, cba to go look through people's miiverses/twitters now

EDIT: The link for Jacob's rMT G L1 should be removed since it's not a vid and Demon should be changed to Diogo obviously

Valen wrote on 06/25/15 at 21:35:11:


Yeah we should believe you. On my twitter I found a 12.133 sec 2. It was with a normal Section 1 so it should be counted, but the more we lower the section 1 and 2 BKS they get less and less realistic. I think even with perfect execution we would not be able to hit the 2 BKS combined in 1 run. Maybe it would be an idea to add a 'best opener' in the additional section beneath all the times, to see the realistic time you can gain on the WR.

Raγ wrote on 06/25/15 at 17:36:41:


I'm always very cautious with rBC1 splits, because a lot of it depends on where exactly you release the SMT right before the finish line. There is for example a noticeable difference in lap 1/2 times depending on which coin you take. I've had a couple of 22"8 lap 2s, but those always came after a lap 1 in which I took the outer coin. I also believe that my lap 3 in my 1'10"970 was that good just because I once again took the outer coin before going into it.

I've thought about that a lot, but I'm not sure getting coins a few tenths earlier is faster in this case.

The point is that, if I'm not mistaken, coins influence your speed while shrooming too. With 1-1-1, you use your first shroom when you have 7 coins. With 0-2-1, you use it when you have 9.

With 1-1-1, you get the 8th and 9th coins when the clock is at approximately 26"4, and you get the last one when it's at approximately 40"4.
With 0-2-1, you get the 8th and 9th coins when the clock is at approximately 26"7, and you get the last one when it's at approximately 40"4.

If I'm not mistaken with these calculations, it means you only spend three additional tenths with two more coins (the time saved by a shroom on a straight). Assuming that, on TC, coins save exactly a second over a lap, it means that two coins save 2 tenths over 26 seconds, which means they save around 3-5 thousandths over three tenths... this makes me think the amount of coins you have when shrooming is more important.

It also matters that, I think, the shroomspot before the pool is slightly faster than the shroomspot at the tables part. That's because your shroom ends in midair, and some of its boost remains until you touch the ground.

I've tried all these strats a lot, and I got my best overall splits with the current strat. But it's just my own experience, so I can't confirm it's the fastest strat for sure. But what I currently know about it leads me to believe it's the optimal one out of these strats. If there's any difference between them, though, it's incredibly small, and perhaps the deciding factor isn't the strat itself but how well each player executes the various shroomstrats.

I'm not sure if I've made any mistakes with the considerations in this post, and if somebody found out any of this is incorrect and another strat is faster I would like that, it'd be cool to see new strats on the track. But I haven't managed to find anything faster myself.

can you shroom first lap before the pool without getting problems with the tables? that would make a bigger difference then

Nicola wrote on 06/27/15 at 07:43:54:


I am not too sure what you are talking about, if you shroom at the start and get the 3 coins you get 9 coins a few tenths earlier

Raγ wrote on 06/25/15 at 17:36:41:


About this lap, Weisse doesn't try to get 3 coins so he doesn't lose time compare to current BKS (I'm not sure if Lee did this lap with 9 coins)
Should I add him ?

Wouter wrote on 06/25/15 at 21:45:10:


I don't know but if we do that, we have to change other BKS like WL NG S1/S2 (due to the smt), rLM (smt too), rRR, etc...
Who did the 12.133 ?

Karmakas wrote on 06/27/15 at 09:32:18:


Yeah I see, it was just an idea. I got the 12.133 btw.

I have a .500 lap 1 on rLM collecting all 9 coins. I'm not 100% sure but in my opinion Weisse's lap shouldn't count since he sacrificed time lap 2.