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Reply #75 - 04/22/15 at 08:02:44
 
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.
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Reply #76 - 04/22/15 at 14:40:46
 
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.



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Reply #77 - 04/22/15 at 15:21:37
 
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF
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Reply #78 - 04/22/15 at 19:21:57
 
kurumi wrote on 04/22/15 at 15:21:37:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF


Isn't Tyler Malleo? This is what I was led to believe. Or if it's Schwam or whatever his name was, he also cheated in MKW.

@Diogo: Pretty sure plenty of other cheaters have tried to deny cheating before. Doesn't change the fact that it happened.
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Reply #79 - 04/22/15 at 19:34:26
 
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:21:57:
kurumi wrote on 04/22/15 at 15:21:37:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF


Isn't Tyler Malleo? This is what I was led to believe. Or if it's Schwam or whatever his name was, he also cheated in MKW.

@Diogo: Pretty sure plenty of other cheaters have tried to deny cheating before. Doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Shwam is Tyler, Malleo is Sean Owens (they are different people, that share the same youtube channel). Shwam likely used live replay on DKM (never confessed to this) and other tracks, Sean admitted to cheating TF.
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Reply #80 - 04/22/15 at 19:41:10
 
TASPlasma wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:34:26:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:21:57:
kurumi wrote on 04/22/15 at 15:21:37:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF


Isn't Tyler Malleo? This is what I was led to believe. Or if it's Schwam or whatever his name was, he also cheated in MKW.

@Diogo: Pretty sure plenty of other cheaters have tried to deny cheating before. Doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Shwam is Tyler, Malleo is Sean Owens (they are different people, that share the same youtube channel). Shwam likely used live replay on DKM (never confessed to this) and other tracks, Sean admitted to cheating TF.


Ah yeah, forgot about that. Yeah didn't Tyler like appear out of nowhere with WR or something close? Don't really remember the story.
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Reply #81 - 04/23/15 at 04:30:34
 
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:41:10:
TASPlasma wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:34:26:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:21:57:
kurumi wrote on 04/22/15 at 15:21:37:
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF


Isn't Tyler Malleo? This is what I was led to believe. Or if it's Schwam or whatever his name was, he also cheated in MKW.

@Diogo: Pretty sure plenty of other cheaters have tried to deny cheating before. Doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Shwam is Tyler, Malleo is Sean Owens (they are different people, that share the same youtube channel). Shwam likely used live replay on DKM (never confessed to this) and other tracks, Sean admitted to cheating TF.


Ah yeah, forgot about that. Yeah didn't Tyler like appear out of nowhere with WR or something close? Don't really remember the story.

He got the DKM WR with glitch (2:00.9) when the WR was around 2:02 I believe, he streamed it to Spark (someone who has never been suspected of cheating and has streamed to Silver and myself, so he is a trusted player in my times) and he also had many PRs before that on his top 5, from what I remember the only "evidence" in his case is that he had a license without a friend code, but like I said, his statement makes perfect sense due to the general community animosity towards him.
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Reply #82 - 04/23/15 at 04:44:11
 
Ah. Didn't he appear out of nowhere with a super good BC time as well? I remember him sucking at the track in 2010 then retiring, and I think coming back out of nowhere a few years later with 2:11 or something. Don't remember how it went, and his old Poptarts1998 YT channel is long gone so I can't check anything.
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Reply #83 - 04/23/15 at 05:39:01
 
hahaae wrote on 04/23/15 at 04:44:11:
Ah. Didn't he appear out of nowhere with a super good BC time as well? I remember him sucking at the track in 2010 then retiring, and I think coming back out of nowhere a few years later with 2:11 or something. Don't remember how it went, and his old Poptarts1998 YT channel is long gone so I can't check anything.

i quite literally picked up the track today and got 2:11.8 with a 44 lap 3, i dont feel like fast times on glitch tracks like bcwii mean anything especially since the hop glitch is easy as piss nowadays (i make it 8/10 and tyler currently makes it 9/10 in tts)
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Reply #84 - 04/23/15 at 06:31:05
 
This was before the hop glitch thing though. It actually used to be challenging lol
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Reply #85 - 04/23/15 at 06:35:22
 
hahaae wrote on 04/23/15 at 06:31:05:
This was before the hop glitch thing though. It actually used to be challenging lol

regardless if it was with or without the hop glitch at the time, i do not think that fast improvements on a glitch time should  warrant a ban
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Reply #86 - 04/23/15 at 06:38:21
 
I think you're completely missing the point. iirc he came back and made rapid improvements on several tracks and didn't comply when it was brought up.
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Reply #87 - 04/23/15 at 06:51:20
 
hahaae wrote on 04/23/15 at 06:38:21:
I think you're completely missing the point. iirc he came back and made rapid improvements on several tracks and didn't comply when it was brought up.

the only times i remember him being good at ever were dkm bcwii and cm, maybe a few more but for the most part those were mostly glitch times, which courses were the ones he rapidly improved on?

also he asked me what he can do to get his times to count now and i think  he's willing to do streams vs ghosts and stuff (/record live vs ghost because idk if he can stream on twitch)
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Reply #88 - 04/23/15 at 07:16:18
 
I don't fully remember (we're talking like 3(?) years ago and I'm an old man now), but I do remember it being discussed and no real proof was provided after a given time so he was banned. There are alternatives to twitch as well lol.

As for proving himself now, that's up to the community to decide. I'm just stating that he wasn't banned just for the sake of banning someone.
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Reply #89 - 04/23/15 at 15:43:26
 
The original discussion about Tyler/Shwam can be found here, for reference: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1204417758/16008#16008

He was already under some suspicion at the time after Malleo got caught cheating, so when he claimed he'd gotten the GCN DK Mountain WR, it didn't go over very well.
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Reply #90 - 04/23/15 at 16:54:24
 
MrL1193 wrote on 04/23/15 at 15:43:26:
The original discussion about Tyler/Shwam can be found here, for reference: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1204417758/16008#16008

He was already under some suspicion at the time after Malleo got caught cheating, so when he claimed he'd gotten the GCN DK Mountain WR, it didn't go over very well.

All of what I read there was just suspicion based on the general community animosity towards him, true, he was caught cheating online, but the only time he was ever caught cheating is when he blatantly made it so in a funroom (2v2) and used a shock as a joke, from then on 90% of the community believed he cheated and had a strong hatred, from what I read, he should have been frozen until he streamed, I don't believe he should have been banned, the evidence that Cole gave may have been convincing to some but it still isn't conclusive proof that he cheats
[17:08:01 EDT] Cole: well why would you delete a license like that?
[17:09:03 EDT] Tyler: it was going to be a potential alt but i decided against it, i have the exact same mii & license on my jap iso, i can livestream to prove im legit lol idc what ppl think
[17:09:21 EDT] Cole: but the license didn't have an FC
[17:09:25 EDT] Cole: so you could have just kept it
[17:09:29 EDT] Cole: and connected to wifi
[17:10:26 EDT] Tyler: oh well
This is the exact same statement that Tyler gave to me, however it's possible that he may have connected and forgot in the meantime.
Regardless, I still feel he should have just been perma frozen until he decided to stream, he's told me recently that when he starts playing MKW actively again he would be willing to follow some requests and has asked me what he could do to make his times count, including racing live vs ghosts and possibly streaming (probably over skype, since he can't stream on twitch)
But yeah, I'm repeating myself now but I think thats he should be unbanned and just frozen until he can stream / upload videos versus ghosts and things, many of the arguments is that he was friends with someone who got caught cheating, as well as that he has "more knowledge about TAS than the average person" (quoting troy), if someone was friends with someone, why would he just ditch him because he was caught cheating? Let's use the example of Daniel, despite him cheating, many top players still remained friends with him.
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Reply #91 - 04/23/15 at 18:57:41
 
kurumi wrote on 04/23/15 at 16:54:24:
MrL1193 wrote on 04/23/15 at 15:43:26:
The original discussion about Tyler/Shwam can be found here, for reference: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1204417758/16008#16008
He was already under some suspicion at the time after Malleo got caught cheating, so when he claimed he'd gotten the GCN DK Mountain WR, it didn't go over very well.

All of what I read there was just suspicion based on the general community animosity towards him, true, he was caught cheating online, but the only time he was ever caught cheating is when he blatantly made it so in a funroom (2v2) and used a shock as a joke, from then on 90% of the community believed he cheated and had a strong hatred, from what I read, he should have been frozen until he streamed, I don't believe he should have been banned, the evidence that Cole gave may have been convincing to some but it still isn't conclusive proof that he cheats

Tyler's times were removed due to suspicion and lack of proof. IIRC he did do 1 DKM stream after getting WR but it didn't show that he was 2:00.xxx level and he had a poor attitude about proving himself (there are some posts about this in MrL's link).

I do think you're right that there wasn't ever conclusive proof that he cheated. I'm not sure why zak's old top 10 site listed him as banned instead of pending. If he starts streaming again then the community may accept his times. But most top mkwii players were very doubtful that his times were legit.
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Reply #92 - 04/23/15 at 19:01:04
 
Diogo wrote on 04/04/15 at 12:41:15:
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except wii wheel CAN brake
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Reply #93 - 04/23/15 at 20:25:04
 
Cole wrote on 04/23/15 at 18:57:41:
kurumi wrote on 04/23/15 at 16:54:24:
MrL1193 wrote on 04/23/15 at 15:43:26:
The original discussion about Tyler/Shwam can be found here, for reference: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1204417758/16008#16008
He was already under some suspicion at the time after Malleo got caught cheating, so when he claimed he'd gotten the GCN DK Mountain WR, it didn't go over very well.

All of what I read there was just suspicion based on the general community animosity towards him, true, he was caught cheating online, but the only time he was ever caught cheating is when he blatantly made it so in a funroom (2v2) and used a shock as a joke, from then on 90% of the community believed he cheated and had a strong hatred, from what I read, he should have been frozen until he streamed, I don't believe he should have been banned, the evidence that Cole gave may have been convincing to some but it still isn't conclusive proof that he cheats

Tyler's times were removed due to suspicion and lack of proof. IIRC he did do 1 DKM stream after getting WR but it didn't show that he was 2:00.xxx level and he had a poor attitude about proving himself (there are some posts about this in MrL's link).

I do think you're right that there wasn't ever conclusive proof that he cheated. I'm not sure why zak's old top 10 site listed him as banned instead of pending. If he starts streaming again then the community may accept his times. But most top mkwii players were very doubtful that his times were legit.

Thank you for clearing that up, I will inform him of this and when he starts playing actively again I can get him to stream to top players over skype and stuff (and he can record live vs ghost) so he can prove his legitimacy.
Also in terms of poor attitude, he was an enormous troll and rarely took things seriously, but we'll see if he can do DKM since he said he doesn't have any  motivation for MKW now that MK8 DLC came out
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Reply #94 - 04/23/15 at 21:14:58
 
Upon re-reading that thread, it does come back.

- The whole "taking a break from Runescape" and 1 week later improving his 2:03 rDKM run directly to a 2:00.9, beating the WR by like 1.5 or so seconds, after showing no progress whatsoever.
- Known to have homebrew on his Wii and caught hacking in WCL
- Close ties with Malleo, who was caught trying to pass off TAS'd runs as legitimate and had excessive knowledge in TAS
- Improved (again, out of nowhere) his BC 3lap to 2:11.6xx, with the OLD SC and old strats. This is by no means easy, and anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their ass.
- Refused to comply with people requesting proof, only streamed his rDKM run to 1 person on a Skype stream (which would be infinitely easier to fake than a run streamed to multiple TT'ers in the community who are analyzing you)
- Don't remember what the CM time was, but again, it was out of nowhere and was an insane cut
- His driving in other videos was NOWHERE near the level he demonstrated in his "WR" or his "improvements" on rDKM/BC/CM


I guess you can't say it's hard proof. But the MKW community has seen people like Tyler come and go, hundreds of times. I can tell you right now that he cheated during that era. I'm not going to bother replying after this, but you need to stop trying to play dumb and accept that he cheated in MKW. Again, I'm not part of this community so I really don't care a whole lot. If the MK8 community wants to make a dumbass decision by letting a known cheater compete, then so be it. I'll just be shaking my head with a smile when it all goes to shit.

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For MKW? Over Skype? Absolutely not. Use something public for the community to watch. There are many alternatives to Twitch, if it doesn't work for him (which I find hard to believe in itself).
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Reply #95 - 04/23/15 at 22:25:44
 
Actually, Malleo told me a while back that Shwam admitted to him that Shwam's 2:03 run was TASed. Assuming Shwam did actually confess to cheating that run to Malleo, then I see no reason why the 2:00.9 would be legit.
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Reply #96 - 04/24/15 at 01:21:55
 
hahaae wrote on 04/23/15 at 21:14:58:
I guess you can't say it's hard proof. But the MKW community has seen people like Tyler come and go, hundreds of times. I can tell you right now that he cheated during that era. I'm not going to bother replying after this, but you need to stop trying to play dumb and accept that he cheated in MKW. Again, I'm not part of this community so I really don't care a whole lot. If the MK8 community wants to make a dumbass decision by letting a known cheater compete, then so be it. I'll just be shaking my head with a smile when it all goes to shit.
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For MKW? Over Skype? Absolutely not. Use something public for the community to watch. There are many alternatives to Twitch, if it doesn't work for him (which I find hard to believe in itself).

It's been cleared up anyways, I was under the impression he was banned, which he is not.
Also I don't know the reasons, but I do know he streams MK8 in calls very very often and is fine with playing courses we ask him to.
I'll stop replying as well since it's been resolved.
Also @ the above post, I think there was a point in time they didn't like each other and they stopped talking, so it's possible it was made up, hearsay has never been enough to warrant any action, however since it came from someone who is his friend and would have no reason to lie, it would warrant him being frozen until he has proven himself.
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Reply #97 - 04/26/15 at 07:31:25
 
hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 19:21:57:
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hahaae wrote on 04/22/15 at 08:02:44:
Tyler cheated on GV2 TTs, Victor admitted to cheating on MG glitch.

I'm pretty sure Malleo was the one who cheated on GV2, Malleo also blatantly cheated on TF


Isn't Tyler Malleo? This is what I was led to believe. Or if it's Schwam or whatever his name was, he also cheated in MKW.

@Diogo: Pretty sure plenty of other cheaters have tried to deny cheating before. Doesn't change the fact that it happened.


Can you find where Victor admitted to cheating? I realize this isn't really the correct place to be putting all this, but I can't find any other page at all discussing Victor. Does anyone at all have any evidence that Victor cheated OR that He admitted to cheating?
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Reply #98 - 04/27/15 at 00:53:19
 
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The difference in MKW is that there is no difference between wheel and non wheel, besides on MG glitch. Wheel users in that game are just as capable getting the WR as anyone else. I could be mistaken though, but quite frankly that's for their community to decide.

That sounds like a good starting point Cole. We'll see how the community responds to such a plan.


That's wrong Wheel has a significant advantage on more than MG glitch, GV2 non glitch flap (keiichi) is the best example, there is a massive difference on the sc (good players who ever TT'd GV2 will know the difference)
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Reply #99 - 04/28/15 at 16:52:56
 
To think more WRs are taking tilt controls now... Tilt is almost becoming THE WR strat.
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