MrL1193 wrote on 04/08/15 at 08:12:46:


TAS has proven the difference it makes to be substantial, and even TAS input (iirc) isn't as optimal as the Wii wheel input range.

^Apparently the wheelers themselves didn't care to speak about their disadvantages either.  

Also, here's a pretty good visual of the wheel's power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFoEcVsbPr0

This is ZRoyal we're talking about. And already he's ahead by a hefty amount just after 1 turn.

Insanity wrote on 04/10/15 at 15:14:24:

Even funnier than just " not exactly all wheel "



Ok so i gained time on the starting boost by maybe 0.050 seconds
[09/04/2015 22:15:56] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: Gonna expiriment turns now
[09/04/2015 22:16:35] Diogo: is nintentroll really that retarded? omg
[09/04/2015 22:17:03] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: Just gained time on him after 1st mt as well
[09/04/2015 22:17:07] Diogo: wow
[09/04/2015 22:17:10] Diogo: ok thanks for trying
[09/04/2015 22:17:12] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: Mt seem to be a bit more boosting
[09/04/2015 22:17:15] Diogo: now rookie needs you to war
[09/04/2015 22:17:19] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: Ok
[09/04/2015 22:17:24] Diogo: he kicked u from chatbox to know if you were here still
[09/04/2015 22:17:33] Diogo: in case u didnt know rookies shitty mind
[09/04/2015 22:18:41] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: XD
[09/04/2015 22:19:22] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .: But yeah i seemed to have gained time on him even though i failed a few slides because of my mt
[09/04/2015 22:22:47] Diogo: thats pretty unfair
[09/04/2015 22:22:57] Diogo: after all the time complaining about wii wheel
[09/04/2015 22:23:12] Diogo: now we know that gamepad wheel GAINS over people gaining on traction over other controllers
[09/04/2015 22:23:18] 《¤BŁAĐE¤》 .:  yeah, kinda bs on nintendos game code :/
[09/04/2015 22:23:19] Diogo: what is this shit man



Blade is a gamepad wheel user. and he just gains like yolo on gigagia's 1:54.803 rDDD just by using the proper controller.

There's no need to try getting separate charts. why should we have like 3 separate charts ? not worth anymore

Here are two mockups of what the main page might look like with separate charts:

Option 1: http://mkwrs.com/mk8/sepcharts1.php
Option 2: http://mkwrs.com/mk8/sepcharts2.php

The non-motion controls WRs shown aren't necessarily the current non-motion controls WRs. This is just for demonstration purposes. Also the duration values and WR tally would be accurate in the real version.

Imo Option 2 looks better but it is a bit more confusing because the WRs are shared between 2 different times. Option 1 makes it clear that it's a new separate category but I don't like that it has 3 WR tables on the main page.

Let me know which option you think is better or if you have a different idea. Also I'm wondering what people think is the best name for this category: "Non-Motion Controls", "Non-Gyro", or "Non-Wheel"

Regarding the comparison to MKW Wii Wheel:
In MKW, only a small percentage of players used Wheel competitively. There are some strong W3Rs but overall there hasn't been that much competition for W3Rs compared to the competition of the current main MKW WR categories.
In MK8, the majority of players use non-motion controls so there is already a lot of competition. I think the main categories on the WR site need to have a lot of competition, which is why I don't agree that we need to add W3Rs to MKW's WR site.

Also, I think it's fair to say that MKW wheel players knew that they were picking a controller that would be more difficult to use. In MK8, non-wheel players had no way of knowing that they were picking a controller that would end up being slower after ~6 months.

Yes, the ideal situation would be for the top MK8 players to switch to wheel/gamepad wheel in order to push the game to its limits. But I don't think that most people will switch. Instead, I think people will just quit the game and lower the competition. There are only a small percentage of people in the MK community that would enjoy competing with full motion controls.

Regarding the faking of non-gyro runs:
As mindscarp said, it would be possible to switch to motion controls during a run to cheat the new category. But I think we will be able to tell like Jacob said. And for clarification, yes, the new category would be 0% motion controls.

Regarding the PP:
I agree with Mick that the issue of the wheel's advantage doesn't affect most players, so imo separate charts aren't currently needed for the PP. But I think the wheel's advantage is having a big impact on the WR players right now, which is why I support having separate charts on the WR site.

Just viewed both and I like both, maybe option two more

But, since non-gyro will be recognized and acknowledged as WRs also, will the non-gyro WR show up as being a multiple WR holder if they have one on another course?

Seriously im not even kidding this will motivate the hell out of me especially if it counts towards being a multiple WR holder

@having 3 charts on the main page: Since the only stat that is tracked for non-DLC, why not combine them and just have two total rows?

There also should be a total for non-Gyro.

I prefer non-Gyro or non-Wheel, because they're short.

Cole wrote on 04/16/15 at 14:01:22:

I largely prefer the first option over the second one. I find it confusing to put both times under a same field as you said. It also brings the implication that both times are de-facto world records when only the fastest one is.

However if you go for option 1, you should group the vanilla and DLC tracks together. Our experience with the 1st DLC pack demonstrated that they see a comparable competition at the top level, and thus their WRs should have the same value as the ones in the other tracks. They should at least be color-coded differently somehow to show the distinction between what's available from the start and what is extra content though.

As for the naming, Non-Gyro is short and more encompassing as well. Non-Wheel could imply that gamepad usage isn't factored in.

GCN Baby Park may have 7 laps in Time Trial mode as well. At the moment, it seems that neither the “Add New WR” page nor the track page on the Mario Kart 8 WR website is suited for the input/display of 7 lap times.

Option 2 is way too confusing, it does not explain why two different times are listed as “World Records”.

Ebil wrote on 04/17/15 at 09:22:24:


Your idea definitely seems to be the best to me. doesn't waste much space,just adding up another page. probably requires more work,though.

Option 3: http://www.mkwrs.com/mk8/sepcharts3.php (updated version of option 1 with DLC added to the main table)

I like Ebil's tab suggestion as well.
I'll work on implementing separate charts in May.

RRD wrote on 04/17/15 at 06:25:09:

Ok, I'll have to add more lap columns for dBP then. This probably won't be done by the DLC release date, so updaters can just add the first 3 laps for now.

I'd prefer everything on one tab, but do what's most convenient for the site  

I am a little confused on option 3 as to why some have gray lines on them?

EDIT :: Oh they're DLC, ok, I really do like option 3.

What of the days? For example, Diogo's Dry Dry Desert was set a while ago not 26 days ago, I'll assume they will be updated when its complete?

Anyway, my vote's for option 3!

Vinnie927 wrote on 04/05/15 at 03:42:02:

I don't believe I was around at the time, but I don't believe there was ever actual evidence to support that Victor was a cheater, him along with some other players such as Tyler were banned due to heavy suspicion, I personally think it's wrong to ban people without conclusive evidence.
Also the statement that I received from Tyler why he had an alternate license without an FC lines up with the general community attitude towards him and I remember instances where people would not war his clan because he was in the lineup, and because of this he had a license without an FC at the ready to go on an alternate license to war.