Insane...nobody is putting down people who wheel, we just simply cannot justify nintendo giving it an advantage, hence why it should have its own chart

Wheel icon appears if you use motion controls (including Wii U GamePad's gyroscope mode) during at least 80% of the run. It doesn't matter where the button controls part ( <20% ) is located (beginning/middle/end of the run) and you can split it into several parts.

As a result, a “non-gyro” run can technically contain 79% of gyro controls time.

While a W3R/gyro WR having 80%+ of motion controls time sounds fair, a “non-gyro” with up to 79% motion controls time is ridiculous. Going to such lengths for something not verifiable is a joke. This issue was already brought up before with rDDD ( http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1402852067/10#10 ).

RRD wrote on 04/05/15 at 02:39:28:


Someone who can hack (can anyone other than Mr. Bean?) should make a tool that checks if motion controls were used in any part of the run.

Alternate Sinuous wrote on 04/05/15 at 04:32:42:



That is sadly wrong,Sinuous

Danny G wanted to keep Dry Dry Desert so much that he started switching between Gamepad Wheel and Gamepad to keep the WR and fight again Catfish.

IIRC, he used the gamepad to do neutral hops,and the rest was wheeled.

Vinnie927 wrote on 04/05/15 at 03:42:02:


For joining the PP, I think that they shouldn't be able to again in any game. But to not count their WRs here when we know everything's legit would just idiotic. That's my bottom line on that situation.

RRD wrote on 04/05/15 at 02:39:28:


You can just watch the run and see which sections are gyro or not...

Then establish that non-gyro means 0% gyro and that could solve that problem.

WillD wrote on 04/05/15 at 18:09:16:


Wheel doesn't have huge advantages in MKW like it does in MK8, so there would be no point for a MKW one.

This is not too dissimilar to the debate of gamepad vs K+M on PC for FPS/TPS.

A lot of people prefer the comfort of a controller, but the superior capabilities offered by K+M allows users of that combo to outclass gamepad users of comparable levels most of the time.

What happens in this situation is that either those gamepad users switch to K+M if they wish to truly stay competitive, or deal with the disadvantage, even it means they could lose most of the time.
I do not see this situation for Mario Kart 8 should be handled differently, and the Players' Page has never discriminated players and records by type of controller used.

Even though I voted No on the poll, I'm personally not opposed to having an extra table on the WR site if it helps players see what times would be reasonably achieved using standard controls, and if Cole is fine with it. But for global charts, separate categories by controllers will only dilute the competition and discriminate the dozens of wheelers that aren't at the top and may not even be aware of the advantage of motion controls.

Mostly agree with Mick. Wii Wheelers in MKW had to either overcome extremely difficult odds or just make the switch to a different controller. I'm sure it wasn't super enjoyable, being comfortable with a controller that is inferior for most practical uses in MKW. Now that the tables have been flipped, it's up to the players to decide if they want to keep up with Wheel users by switching to the wheel, or just accept that they're disadvantaged. Wii wheel users got no sympathy in MKW, and it's fair to expect non-wheelers to get none in MK8.

I agree with Hahaae.

40pegh wrote on 04/06/15 at 14:49:14:

That really shouldn't make a difference.

WillD wrote on 04/06/15 at 13:02:56:


It's a completely different kind of advantage. In MKW, wheel was just harder to use, but had the same exact capabilities as any other controller. In MK8, wheel actually gets bonuses that other controllers don't, so it's not a matter of difficulty to use, but actual capabilities of the controller.

^it depends. Was this subject ever brought up?

MH wrote on 04/07/15 at 10:03:25:

To clarify my previous opinion, I'm completely in favor of a sub-ranking for non-gyro times existing. However, just like the kart and wii-wheel times on MKW, they aren't as official, so there's no need to add a whole other category to the WR site

hahaae wrote on 04/07/15 at 05:32:04:

As far as I'm aware, the Wheel's only advantage in MKW is that it can do full diagonal input. (Imagine a square of possible movement inputs, with other controllers limited to a circle within the square.) It's helpful for MG glitch, but for ordinary driving tasks, the extra input doesn't really help.