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Re: Have Separate Charts/WRs for Wheel Players
Reply #150 - 07/18/15 at 19:36:03
 
40pegh wrote on 07/14/15 at 13:49:43:
I agree with no community enthusiasm, and the need for more change besides on your site, but the rest no. All you've done is proven my point that this game and it's community is the worst I've ever seen. I said straight-forward because I thought we had a solid plan to at least start moving this thing to realism. But then months passed by and shit wasn't getting done, and now you're scratching your head wondering whether some runs are d-paded, or where the stick bkt's are. Had this been well-established when it should have been there's no doubt we would have had everything put together by now.

How can you possibly say to the players that you must use d-pad/wheel to compete? Oh, because yes, it's all about the fastest times and not the unfairness of it all. We as a community are gonna tell the stick players to fuck off, you just wasted your time devoting yourself to the game for a year now. Goldie, Twi, Jordan to name a few are forever fucked and can't get the representation they deserve. And soon, as you said, we can look forward to more d-pad/wheel domination and more stick records getting destroyed with no way out. Great competition. It's not about who's actually the best at each track anymore, but instead it's just who can use d-pad/wheel the best. Surely you must understand why I am this motivated about making this an actuality. I've played TTC well over 70% of the total time I've played this game, and now all of my dedication and devotion to improvising every single portion of the track is thrown away because the reality is TTC will get dpaded one day, and it would be futile for me to play because I wouldn't be able to get it back. It would be out of my limits, but not because of a skill limit, but because of a controller limitation. Again I say, that's truly what competition is about! Please.

Let me tell you something: humans are not identical with one another. You expect everyone to just switch to dpad because a few others, including yourself, already have done so? Well Twi and myself are a couple good exceptions. Diogo and Drogon have constantly stated how fucking terrible the wiimote actually is in terms of comfort. Why on earth should I ever feel obligated to switch to a hand-killer piece of shit of a controller when I can use the controller that suits best for me, and has been for the past year. Oh, but wait, it's useless now because it's all about the fastest time, and using it automatically costs anywhere from .500 to a second.

You can agree with me, the correct side, or you can disagree with me and I won't get two shits about it. Competition is fairness over fastest times, and MKW, SMK, etc. understood that. But because it's less obvious than a fucking glitch, or NTSC version being seconds faster than the PAL version, that does not warrant change? Or because not too many people think as strongly as I do, that doesn't warrant change either? Well there you go. No one gives a shit about this game anymore because of how laughable its community is, so go ahead and continue to think as you are and not do a damn thing about fixing this problem. Surely no one's going to care about not doing anything, as people who use d-pad/wheel will continue to play the game because they've got nothing to complain about, and the stick players will go on to play better and more organized games instead of false competing in this game.


^ This. Smiley

Anyways, I just wanted to say I would be willing to do the separate charts for this game.

That is, if it's okay with you Cole

I think it'd be better if we could talk about this on Skype (I was told you're unable to do it yourself since you don't have enough time)

My reason for doing this is because I want to be able to give the stick WRs the recognition they deserve.

I'm just really tired of complaining about the advantage for well over a month and nothing happening, so I just decided instead of arguing over it, I'd rather make the charts myself.

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Re: Have Separate Charts/WRs for Wheel Players
Reply #151 - 07/19/15 at 10:16:51
 
Cole wrote on 07/13/15 at 18:11:27:
Look at the new Big Blue WR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2intDYLDnQ). Diogo is saying it might be D-pad, but there is no icon on the WR site since no one knows for sure. Ok it's not a big deal now because it is just an icon. But if there was a separate category we would need a much better way of determining which controller was used. I'm also wondering if the MC WR is done with D-pad or not.

Diogo wrote on 07/15/15 at 05:31:04:
As to know what time is dpaded or not,we just have to race it. I've raced Jager's MC and I can confirm that it was dpaded,but he kept holding up during long turns. For Big Blue,I only think it's dpaded because of how weird the S1 beginning was,and the section 3 hops at the beginning were done. Clearly looked like he either didn't know what to do,or wasn't used at all to the controller.


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Reply #152 - 07/20/15 at 01:20:06
 
Twi wrote on 07/18/15 at 19:36:03:
^ This. Smiley

Anyways, I just wanted to say I would be willing to do the separate charts for this game.

That is, if it's okay with you Cole

I think it'd be better if we could talk about this on Skype (I was told you're unable to do it yourself since you don't have enough time)

My reason for doing this is because I want to be able to give the stick WRs the recognition they deserve.

I'm just really tired of complaining about the advantage for well over a month and nothing happening, so I just decided instead of arguing over it, I'd rather make the charts myself.

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I hope some of you are actually taking this seriously so it doesn't have to be just him doing everything.

For the record Twi I don't have Skype, but please feel free to pm me here (it'd be better than miiverse) if you want to update me on progress, or just need help in general. I want this to be a community effort, but if it's just me and you then I'm fine with it.

I do apologize for being brash to you Cole, which is why I deleted one of my posts (if you noticed anyway). You obviously understand my point so there was no reason for me to make anymore unneeded posts against you.

I want everything else I said to also no longer have any meaning. So let's go Twi Smiley
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Re: Have Separate Charts/WRs for Wheel Players
Reply #153 - 07/20/15 at 01:37:33
 
40pegh wrote on 07/20/15 at 01:20:06:
Twi wrote on 07/18/15 at 19:36:03:
^ This. Smiley

Anyways, I just wanted to say I would be willing to do the separate charts for this game.

That is, if it's okay with you Cole

I think it'd be better if we could talk about this on Skype (I was told you're unable to do it yourself since you don't have enough time)

My reason for doing this is because I want to be able to give the stick WRs the recognition they deserve.

I'm just really tired of complaining about the advantage for well over a month and nothing happening, so I just decided instead of arguing over it, I'd rather make the charts myself.

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I hope some of you are actually taking this seriously so it doesn't have to be just him doing everything.

For the record Twi I don't have Skype, but please feel free to pm me here (it'd be better than miiverse) if you want to update me on progress, or just need help in general. I want this to be a community effort, but if it's just me and you then I'm fine with it.

I do apologize for being brash to you Cole, which is why I deleted one of my posts (if you noticed anyway). You obviously understand my point so there was no reason for me to make anymore unneeded posts against you.

I want everything else I said to also no longer have any meaning. So let's go Twi Smiley


I have plenty of people who would be willing to help me with this, such as Kyser, Luso, Danny, you, Sinuous, and many more. Of course it's going to be a community effort, I probably should've been more detailed in that post however if this is going to happen we need to do something about it now. Too many people are quitting, and I myself already decided to quit if this really doesn't work.

Thanks Jacob, I'll do that whenever I need your help  Smiley

Still awaiting a response from Cole about this, I talked to Mindscarp already however he doesn't have the ability to make the structure for separate charts. He's only an updater, which is why I need Cole's help.

If he could just do the structure for it, I, along with many others of the community would be willing to update them ourselves.
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Reply #154 - 07/20/15 at 01:43:09
 
Oh, alright. That is quite refreshing to see that it'll be more than 1-2 people working on this.
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Reply #155 - 07/20/15 at 02:34:37
 
I'm also ready to help with this in any way possible if you guys need any of it. Hopefully this works out for all of us!  Smiley

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Reply #156 - 07/20/15 at 10:30:57
 
Twi wrote on 07/20/15 at 01:37:33:
Still awaiting a response from Cole about this, I talked to Mindscarp already however he doesn't have the ability to make the structure for separate charts. He's only an updater, which is why I need Cole's help.

If he could just do the structure for it, I, along with many others of the community would be willing to update them ourselves.


Based on what Cole said earlier, I don't think he's going to do anything with the WR site until after your charts work out. You'll have to make a thread to track it, much like the BKS thread. (or the MKWii top 10 site he linked to)

Cole wrote on 07/15/15 at 11:23:36:
I work on the WR sites in my free time. At the moment I just don't feel like spending my time making separate charts and trying to solve this game's problems. My suggestion for the stick players is to make a top 5 site for stick times (similar to MKW's top10: http://mkwtops.weebly.com). You could have multiple updaters and figure out a system for verifying if a time is D-pad or not.
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Reply #157 - 07/20/15 at 14:55:36
 
I would need somebody to help us with the top5/top10 thread then.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to do an entire top 10 thread after willingly updating every single stick WR onto Cole's site with every combo.

I'll try to see if there's anybody who can help with that...

Is there any suggestions that anybody knows would be willing to do this?

I believe Ice was the former American top 10 thread updater, but quit because of the controller advantages. Could somebody ask him, maybe?

If not I'll try to find somebody else.

I'm just glad finally we're making steps forward instead of doing nothing about this. Smiley
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Reply #158 - 07/20/15 at 17:09:40
 
RRD wrote on 07/19/15 at 10:16:51:

So basically he doesn’t use DPad? Grin

Have fun enforcing something you can’t even know is being used.
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Reply #159 - 07/21/15 at 06:46:37
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 07/20/15 at 17:09:40:
RRD wrote on 07/19/15 at 10:16:51:

So basically he doesn’t use DPad? Grin

Have fun enforcing something you can’t even know is being used.



He does

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gamepad
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looks like we have a similar mkw talk since people seem to like to lie about whatever they do in game
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Reply #160 - 07/22/15 at 11:19:53
 
Small update:

Ice has agreed to do the non-advantaged top 10
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Reply #161 - 07/24/15 at 11:33:37
 
Seperate chart for wii wheel users?

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Reply #162 - 07/26/15 at 11:41:26
 
Diogo wrote on 07/21/15 at 06:46:37:
raced his ghost with dpad
could keep up + used same inputs outside of first turn


gamepad
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Maybe he’s just better than you.
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Reply #163 - 07/28/15 at 08:40:08
 
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Reply #164 - 08/14/15 at 11:57:22
 
Random update

http://mkboards.com/forums/threads/non-advantage-top-tens.18438/

Just waiting on a response from Cole to update MKWRs and then I think we've got everything, there's plenty of people willing to upload Stick WR's.
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Reply #165 - 08/15/15 at 01:37:53
 
I may add non-advantage WRs to mkwrs eventually but at the moment I have no plans to. Keep in mind that it requires changing the site's code and design quite a bit to add a new category, and I currently don't feel like working on that.

But yes, I think it is good that a top 10 has been made and have linked it on the main page and the side panel.
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Reply #166 - 08/16/15 at 03:14:19
 
I think that adding the link is a very good idea and it is appreciated that it will take time to make a new category. I am willing to help record the Stick WRs and link them to the thread. Thanks.
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Reply #167 - 08/17/15 at 13:41:15
 
Can someone explain to me the DPad advantage? What DPads get this? Does the Wii U gamepad get the massive advantage?
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Reply #168 - 08/17/15 at 13:52:00
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/15 at 13:41:15:
Can someone explain to me the DPad advantage? What DPads get this? Does the Wii U gamepad get the massive advantage?



Wii Remote only.
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Reply #169 - 08/17/15 at 14:30:20
 
Diogo wrote on 08/17/15 at 13:52:00:
Wii Remote only.

Lol. I should try it.
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Reply #170 - 08/17/15 at 21:49:12
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 08/17/15 at 13:41:15:
Can someone explain to me the DPad advantage?


Diogo wrote on 08/17/15 at 13:52:00:
Wii Remote only.


My guess as to why it's wiimote only is because it has to be in the wheel to use the wheel. All other controllers are not compatible with the wheel, and thus do not have the advantage. Also, iIrc, the wheel icon appears when you use the wiimote only in MKW, so it's safe to assume the two controllers are linked together functioning-wise (which, of course, is apparent here).
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Reply #171 - 09/13/15 at 06:32:33
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 07/20/15 at 17:09:40:
So basically he doesn’t use DPad? Grin
Have fun enforcing something you can’t even know is being used.


Diogo wrote on 07/21/15 at 06:46:37:
He does
raced his ghost with dpad: could keep up + used same inputs outside of first turn
gamepad: couldnt at some parts  : )

looks like we have a similar mkw talk since people seem to like to lie about whatever they do in game


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Maybe he’s just better than you.


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Reply #172 - 10/04/15 at 11:38:06
 
Yo.

I'm too lazy too look up all the discussions regarding this dpad thing. What exactly is the advantage? Faster MT's or something?
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Reply #173 - 10/04/15 at 12:23:37
 
Sorozone wrote on 10/04/15 at 11:38:06:
Yo.

I'm too lazy too look up all the discussions regarding this dpad thing. What exactly is the advantage? Faster MT's or something?


Can take turns tighter.  I believe it gives the same exact advantage as a tilt controls user would get. Insanely helpful on tracks like rDDD and Cheeseland.
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Reply #174 - 10/04/15 at 12:30:41
 
Sorozone wrote on 10/04/15 at 11:38:06:
Yo.

I'm too lazy too look up all the discussions regarding this dpad thing. What exactly is the advantage? Faster MT's or something?


1. It is seconds faster than a stick controller on tracks that are only offroad (so rDDD, rSL, etc).
2. It has superior momentum sliding. This means dpad has the potential to break stick records on the rest of the tracks, except for RR (it requires break drifting, and dpad cannot do that).
2a. This can lead to strats only faster to use with the dpad (compare the very beginning of the current MW WR and the former WR).
3. It has more powerful boosts, which means firehopping is stronger compared to the stick; this is also a contributor to the dpads superior momentum sliding. If you watched Kasper's streams, he gains a shit ton at the string of boost panels at the end of dWW compared to the former WR, a stick record.
4. Dpad used with blue falcon/strettle seems to be the best combination for many of the tracks, but on some of the tracks, blue falcon/strettle is not faster or the same for a stick user compared to mach 8 (look at BC history).
5. Keep in mind that the wheel also has these advantages.

The general disadvantage I can think of when using dpad (besides the mentioned inability to brake drift) is that you sacrifice precise driving, mainly because the controller itself is terrible. However, I do believe every current dpad record can be shaved down by a considerable amount with better optimization, and tracks where it is currently held by the stick will be beaten by the dpad as long as people continue to play the game. Just take a look at the rGV history. Prime example of the dpad's brokenness actually getting used properly (the current record can still go down by another .500 at least). This speaks to me that dpad should be faster by at least .800 compared to the stick records on the majority of the tracks (dpad is only slower on the mentioned RR and maybe DS). For the record, the closest a dpad record is to optimization is rMC and dMC imo.
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