BDON wrote on 05/17/15 at 05:48:09:

Well there's already the blue falcon

Raγ wrote on 05/17/15 at 18:38:59:

They're just reshaped classic controllers
It wouldn't make sense otherwise

Looks like these new controllers having wiimote motion/dpad like traction is false according to people over on MKBoards

(http://mkboards.com/forums/threads/wii-u-fight-pad-controller-works-with-mk8-...)

Hopefully those that have bought one will like the controller regardless so it's not a wasted purchase

40pegh wrote on 05/18/15 at 10:18:12:


Well he didn't really lie, he just got a big PR racing his own ghost (rather than a Wheel ghost), and he said it was like 6am for him, so maybe he just thought it had wheel cheat.

Would be great if you test it out though, because a top level player confirming or denying it is what we need to put this to rest for sure.

Ordered a fight pad that arrived today, no wheel hacks at all.

Will try with a modded dpad later on, but I'm not expecting anything to come from it.

Edit: Tried modding the dpad, still no hacks.

Those thrown words didn't have evidence to back it up, just goes to show how easily people get convinced because they trust someone.

^Well if everyone questioned Diogo and did not buy the controller, we never would have known its actual capabilities.

It does suck that people wasted their money though just for no progress on the situation.

People wouldn't be quitting if this thing was established the day I made this thread.

Such a straight-forward plan isn't taking action and I do not know why. What are we waiting for? Improve this game for the greater good already.

Seperate charts are a brilliant idea imo  

I agree with no community enthusiasm, and the need for more change besides on your site, but the rest no. All you've done is proven my point that this game and it's community is the worst I've ever seen. I said straight-forward because I thought we had a solid plan to at least start moving this thing to realism. But then months passed by and shit wasn't getting done, and now you're scratching your head wondering whether some runs are d-paded, or where the stick bkt's are. Had this been well-established when it should have been there's no doubt we would have had everything put together by now.

How can you possibly say to the players that you must use d-pad/wheel to compete? Oh, because yes, it's all about the fastest times and not the unfairness of it all. We as a community are gonna tell the stick players to fuck off, you just wasted your time devoting yourself to the game for a year now. Goldie, Twi, Jordan to name a few are forever fucked and can't get the representation they deserve. And soon, as you said, we can look forward to more d-pad/wheel domination and more stick records getting destroyed with no way out. Great competition. It's not about who's actually the best at each track anymore, but instead it's just who can use d-pad/wheel the best. Surely you must understand why I am this motivated about making this an actuality. I've played TTC well over 70% of the total time I've played this game, and now all of my dedication and devotion to improvising every single portion of the track is thrown away because the reality is TTC will get dpaded one day, and it would be futile for me to play because I wouldn't be able to get it back. It would be out of my limits, but not because of a skill limit, but because of a controller limitation. Again I say, that's truly what competition is about! Please.

Let me tell you something: humans are not identical with one another. You expect everyone to just switch to dpad because a few others, including yourself, already have done so? Well Twi and myself are a couple good exceptions. Diogo and Drogon have constantly stated how fucking terrible the wiimote actually is in terms of comfort. Why on earth should I ever feel obligated to switch to a hand-killer piece of shit of a controller when I can use the controller that suits best for me, and has been for the past year. Oh, but wait, it's useless now because it's all about the fastest time, and using it automatically costs anywhere from .500 to a second.

You can agree with me, the correct side, or you can disagree with me and I won't get two shits about it. Competition is fairness over fastest times, and MKW, SMK, etc. understood that. But because it's less obvious than a fucking glitch, or NTSC version being seconds faster than the PAL version, that does not warrant change? Or because not too many people think as strongly as I do, that doesn't warrant change either? Well there you go. No one gives a shit about this game anymore because of how laughable its community is, so go ahead and continue to think as you are and not do a damn thing about fixing this problem. Surely no one's going to care about not doing anything, as people who use d-pad/wheel will continue to play the game because they've got nothing to complain about, and the stick players will go on to play better and more organized games instead of false competing in this game.

I definitely understand why people want separate charts, and I agree that Nintendo really messed up the controllers in this game. I just disagree that it's a 100% easy decision like you are saying Jacob. For your "wasting time" argument, look at some examples in MKWii. On RR anyone who used bike now has to switch to kart to get WR, which is a completely different way of playing. On MH, imagine if someone grinded that track to get a perfect 1:43.500 with auto... well they would have eventually lost to manual and almost everything they learned on the track would be irrelevant for getting back WR. With D-pad, yes some people will be better at it, but personally I found that everything I learned on rMC carried over when I switched to D-pad. That is why I view it as a new strat.

I work on the WR sites in my free time. At the moment I just don't feel like spending my time making separate charts and trying to solve this game's problems. My suggestion for the stick players is to make a top 5 site for stick times (similar to MKW's top10: http://mkwtops.weebly.com). You could have multiple updaters and figure out a system for verifying if a time is D-pad or not.

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I checked Jager's Miiverse and he says he used Pro Controller: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYIHAAAEAAArVRToy7wtpw

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There are also many controller grips for Wiimotes, like this: http://i.imgur.com/EyonYyr.jpg
I haven't used these, but they might help for comfort. Google wiimote grip to find more examples.

I also found out about a controller called "8bitdo SNES30" today: http://www.8bitdo.com/snes30/ It is an SNES-style controller that you can use as a Wiimote, so it should give the advantage in MK8. Looking at the manual for Wiimote mode (http://www.8bitdo.com/snes30/manual.html), I think the buttons would be B=accel, Y=hop, X/A = shroom. In the future they might let you remap the buttons so that you can use R for hopping. I do not own this controller so I can not guarantee if it works well with MK8, people will have to do their own research and buy it if they are interested. Here is a video of it on Yoshi's Woolly World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61MxqNJ42Js

I don't want to talk much about it since it is still months away, but we plan for the new PP site to have controller icons on the record charts like the current WR site does, with toggles to add/remove groups of controllers (dynamically if possible), thus granting them some sort of recognition and allowing the players to roughly what times they can expect to reach depending on the option used.

Until then, it's too much effort to change anything for both the existing PP site (not that Alex would ever accept that anyway) or for the WR site relative to the general interest of the community.

As Cole stated, there have been no efforts made whatsoever from the best players to actively keep track of the best times for each input option in an attempt to valorise karters' efforts. Instead opting to rag on and discourage those going for the fastest options and actually trying to push the game's limits like Diogo and some others.

This discriminatory, destructive behavior, is what is unnerving and pushing people away from the game, not the game's oddball choices.

PS: The NTSC and PAL versions of Super Mario Kart are slightly different games, with their own quirks in physics, controls, offraod behavior...etc. This is not a fair comparison to MK8 where everyone has the same version and the changes broughts by the different controls are merely stat boosts.

Jacob, you chose the wrong game to compare PAL/NTSC xD

They're not comparable because they're literally two different games.

Games where they ARE comparable (via a conversion rate), are compared (MK64/MKDD). Jus' sayin.

Personally, I think you can't call changing to an other (advantaged) controller a new strat. For me a new strat is about implementing new MTs or SCs, other shroom spots etc and not changing to a new controller. I'd say it's just another way of playing.

Despite the difficulties you'll encounter when trying to make seperate charts, I think it's still a good idea when looking at the future. Seperate charts will (hopefully) prevent the game from a huge loss in activity in the next few months.