I think it's about time this controversial topic gets discussed once and for all.

As everyone should know, wheel users gain an unprecedented amount of time over non wheel users. The wheel gains time on turns (especially sharp ones, or any turn in anti-gravity and water I'd assume), momentum sliding, and firehopping. That's basically everything that needs to be perfected in TTs. So in other words, the wheel gains time anywhere and everywhere on any track.

And there's nothing a non wheel user can do obtain this gain in time other than master gyro controls, which is virtually impossible to do for pretty much everyone. Besides, are we really forced to use one control type just to TT this game at its maximum capability?

Now, for those who question the wheel's power, just take a look at this. rDDD, dDD, and rRRy are impossible to beat unless you use the wheel. Chonko's current TR time has a 37.450 lap 1, which is impossible to get for non wheels (take it from me). Finally, look at Victor's current dHC WR. The driving is seriously equivalent to a 1:48 run, yet it's the WR. And if he keeps it up, we are sure to see low 1:46 and probably 1:46 sub as well, which would be impossible to reach for non wheels.

So, what's the verdict?  Me, I'm in favor of having separate charts between wheel and non wheel. I admire these players who use the wheel, but the wheel advantage is just cheap and convoluted, turning off many non wheel players from specific tracks or just from the game entirely. Or, do we wait until the wheel inevitably takes over a majority of the tracks in the game?

Make separate charts

Also why is this not a poll

Despite how OP the wheel is turning out to be, I do not think it should have separate charts on this site. The rankings are weak enough already, and wheel rankings would have like 5 people, lol. And it is also silly to expect Nintendo to do anything about it. I say we just deal with it, most people probably won't be playing the game anymore in a year anyway. Hopefully in the next mk game, they don't screw anything like this up again.

Edit: I thought this thread was for pp rankings. Definitely in favor of separate charts on mkwrs.

Here. Added the poll to satisfy everyone.

You didn't have to add a poll but w/e

I've always respected you a lot, cole, and if you do this for us my respect for you will just explode through the roof, I would be so happy and so would many others. WRs and W3R WRs on mkw.com/mk8, I am definitely in favour of the idea.

I actually did stop TTing because of the unfair wheel advantage but this might just sway me back

The difference in MKW is that there is no difference between wheel and non wheel, besides on MG glitch. Wheel users in that game are just as capable getting the WR as anyone else. I could be mistaken though, but quite frankly that's for their community to decide.

That sounds like a good starting point Cole. We'll see how the community responds to such a plan.

Alternate Sinuous wrote on 04/04/15 at 14:01:42:


The fastest time is always the WR. It would be "Current non-gyro WR" if the Gyro time is faster. So, it would show Victor's time as WR, and Diogo's time as Non-gyro WR.

In the case of MK8, Gyro controls have the advantage, so Non-gyro WRs are the ones that get a separate chart.

-EDIT-
Separate charts for mkwrs.com, but not for MK8PP. There aren't enough Gyro players to justify the difference on the Player's Page.

Thats what I was asking, but it should still display Diogo as having a WR, it should still count. So it says he has 13 WRs right now yeah? It would instead display 14.

It should still at least show us as having multiple WRs, do that, and nobody will complain ever again. I promise.

Vinnie927 wrote on 04/04/15 at 15:10:49:

Ebil wrote on 04/04/15 at 14:32:59:


Totally agreed. Even though it is likely that the wheel run is sloppier than the non-wheel, its still unfair to assume that always. Just because someone is second ww to a wheel does not necessarily mean they would have the wr if the wheel didn't have stat bonuses.
Also, we should try to stick to what Nintendo's online leaderboards say as much as possible.

Typical bias shown from the majority, who are just trying to put down/alienate every single wheeler. Pretty much everyone who wheeled, wheeled in mkw as well they didnt select it for the advantage.