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11/05/14 at 20:25:34

So now we have 3 rRRs since SNES Rainbow Road is confirmed, so I want to know what everyone thinks we should make the abbreviation.

On skype I've heard of stuff like rRRd1/2, but that also seems weird because SNES RR came first, but N64 came first for this game.

Personally I think it would simply make the most sense to just have it as rRR like in MK7, and so we don't have to change anything else either. Smiley

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Ebil Elite Offline What. 5742 days karting Gender:	Re: rRR Reply #2 - 11/05/14 at 21:29:46 dRRD works too. With 'd' as a prefix for all DLC tracks. Would also solve the Mario Circuit(MC) and Mute City(dMC) problems. It also doesn't require people to learn new abbreviations for existing tracks.
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Leone Titan Offline Curious. ate 4390 donuts København, soon Gender:	Re: rRR Reply #3 - 11/05/14 at 21:31:55 Ebil wrote on 11/05/14 at 21:29:46: dRRD works too. With 'd' as a prefix for all DLC tracks. Would also solve the Mario Circuit(MC) and Mute City(dMC) problems. It also doesn't require people to learn new abbreviations for existing tracks. ooh, I like this 'd' prefix idea. Very organized.
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Ebil Elite Offline What. fell 5742 times for marty Gender:	Re: rRR Reply #4 - 11/05/14 at 21:36:16 If only we could get track names for the May dlc too. Cause inb4moreabbreviationoverlap.
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Leone Titan Offline Curious. punched 4390 kiddies København, soon Gender:	Re: rRR Reply #5 - 11/05/14 at 21:42:34 Ebil wrote on 11/05/14 at 21:36:16: If only we could get track names for the May dlc too. Cause inb4moreabbreviationoverlap. nah, sub-abbreviations are easier with only 16 tracks in this category
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Reply #6 - 11/06/14 at 03:29:17

If possible we should avoid re-naming the old tracks. The abbreviations for the 32 old tracks are well established by now and this would very likely cause a lot of misunderstandings. Especially when e.g. an inactive player comes back and talks about a specific track which abbreviation has changed in the meantime... Roll Eyes

Prefix "D" is fine, I would even prefer "DR" for the retro tracks.

In the discussed case of RR this gives us:

RR (MK8 RR)
RRRd (N64 RR)
DRR or DRRR (SNES RR)

Now let's speculate about the tracks for the May dlc. What if Nintendo decides to add ANOTHER RR track? If we decide to integrate the number of the dlc pack, we could avoid such future problems, let's say we use the prefix "D1"

D1RR or D1RRR (SNES RR)
D2RR or D2RRR (May dlc RR???)

It's up to the PP staff to determine the official abbreviations, these are just my thoughts

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Reply #8 - 11/06/14 at 09:18:15

I'll start by saying what I think should be obvious: all DLC tracks should start with the same prefix. Using d would be best because it would distinguish the DLC tracks from the rest. We use r for all retro tracks even though most of them don't need it, might as well do the same for DLC.

MH wrote on 11/06/14 at 03:29:17:

I would even prefer "DR" for the retro tracks.

I disagree with this idea. If a track is both DLC and retro, I think we should drop the r from it and just use d. That would keep the two categories separate from one another. The fact that these are DLC should overrule the fact that they are retro. And what looks better, dWGM or drWGM? dYC or drYC? dRR or drRR? I'd rather ignore the retro aspect and just treat them as DLC tracks.

MH wrote on 11/06/14 at 03:29:17:

Now let's speculate about the tracks for the May dlc. What if Nintendo decides to add ANOTHER RR track? If we decide to integrate the number of the dlc pack, we could avoid such future problems, let's say we use the prefix "D1"

D1RR or D1RRR (SNES RR)
D2RR or D2RRR (May dlc RR???)

As I said before, I think all DLC tracks should start with the same prefix. D1 and D2 are unnecessarily complicated IMO and it's not very likely that most of these tracks would need another thing distinguishing them. We'd be using D1HC, D1DD, D1IIO, and others like this when it's not likely that these abbreviations will be used again in the next pack. If there happens to be another Rainbow Road, we can just stick a 'd' at the end of the next one, giving us dRR and dRRd.

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Re: rRR
Reply #10 - 11/07/14 at 08:18:01

MH wrote on 11/06/14 at 09:38:17:

J-Cop wrote on 11/06/14 at 09:18:15:

We'd be using D1HC, D1DD, D1IIO

Yeah, I agree, these look just way too cryptic for everyday use, especially for beginners.

If some abbreviations actually overlap in May, we still can add a "2" for just these specific cases.

dRR1 & dRR2 in chronological order of release, of course

Remember, this assumes you can even TT DLC tracks (has this been confirmed?)

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Reply #12 - 11/07/14 at 09:11:24

Leone wrote on 11/07/14 at 08:18:01:

MH wrote on 11/06/14 at 09:38:17:

J-Cop wrote on 11/06/14 at 09:18:15:

We'd be using D1HC, D1DD, D1IIO

Yeah, I agree, these look just way too cryptic for everyday use, especially for beginners.

If some abbreviations actually overlap in May, we still can add a "2" for just these specific cases.

dRR1 & dRR2 in chronological order of release, of course

Remember, this assumes you can even TT DLC tracks (has this been confirmed?)

Yes, you can TT dlc tracks. Considering Nintendo mentioned that the Excitebike track will have a fixed configuration in TTs.

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Reply #19 - 11/08/14 at 13:08:08

After thinking about it and discussing with others, I agree that denoting all known and future DLC tracks with their specific prefix seems like the best way to go, in order to make it easy to distinct for the updaters (and for the parser) which tracks do not belong in the "vanilla" chart, as well as preventing confusion with tracks which would have similar abbreviations.

I also agree that new and retro tracks should not be distinguished as well. While the game still denote where the track comes from for the retros, the DLC cups don't even segregate new and retro tracks anymore. It would also overcomplicate abbreviations anyway since we haven't going to see so many DLC retro tracks to begin with anyway (assuming the likelihood that the Pack #2 is the last one).

I'll get into contact with Alex to see if this option is possible, but it shouldn't be an issue.

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Reply #20 - 11/08/14 at 13:42:30

I haven't read all of this, but I personally think we should use the same system as we have been for normal tracks, with just a "d" added at the start. I still think that Retro tracks should be distinguished for the same reason why we've done it since MKSC- to avoid confusion with any Nitro/new DLC tracks that may be released in the future. I really don't think it'd get more complicated than that, though.

For example, dEA for Excitebike Arena and drWGM for Wii Wario's Gold Mine.

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Reply #22 - 11/08/14 at 16:00:32

Rhodechill wrote on 11/08/14 at 14:37:56:

J-Cop wrote on 11/08/14 at 11:11:01:

Rhodechill wrote on 11/07/14 at 12:54:26:

drRR or dRRR?

If it was up to me, neither of those would be used. I'm in favor of dRR with the retro 'r' being removed for DLC tracks.

What if they add another DLC RR remake? Sad

Leone wrote on 11/07/14 at 08:18:01:

dRR1 & dRR2 in chronological order of release

Now I'm wondering, what if they add multiple tracks which have subscripts of their own; for example, snes BC3 and mksc BC3? I hardly see dBC31 and dBC32 becoming popular...

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Reply #23 - 11/08/14 at 21:36:23

Another DLC RR would just become ~~dRRd. Since that already logically follows the rRRd format we have.~~ Actually, more DLC RRs could probably just be dRR__ where __ is SC, DD, DS, Wii, or 7. SNES RR can be the exception, since SMK is the only game with a word before Mario Kart in the game title.

Agreed with J-Cop. I'd prefer not adding another 'r' for retro tracks in the DLC. Abbreviations should be kept as short as possible.

If for some reason, Nintendo decides to bring back SNES BC3 and GBA BC3, we can specifically add the console subscript for those tracks. dsBC3 and dgBC3. Actually, this won't work if GBA and GC happen to have an overlap. But then again, GC can be dgc___. And 3DS would be weird, d3___.

Adding extra digits just complicates things. You want to be able to easily derive the abbreviation from the name of the track. People won't remember if dBC31 is SNES or GBA BC3 unless they happen to remember the order they appear in the cups. And some people (like me) won't remember the chronological order the MK games were released.

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