Doesn't matter if the game is not publicly open for hacks. Even if you can't hack, you can still cheat. Alexy Echinard on the MK7 PP is an example where he submitted times but would never prove them after countless attempts when it was known he had media able to record and take pictures. If someone has cheated in the past, they shouldn't be given a second chance. Old habits die hard. I feel as though past cheaters would feel more tempted to cheat again, and even if they don't, they should have thought about the consequences in the first place. Accepting them once more is like we're condoning their inexcusable behaviour which doesn't portray the PP in a positive light and it casts a shadow on those who kart legitimately who want to compete with other legitimate people.

The PP ought to stick to their guns and not go back on important policies such as this, or in future people may try to take advantage because it will just start opening gaps and you might end up with a big cheating problem once more.

Nobody should be given a 2nd chance at playing this game ever. However if someone gets removed due to no proof of their times and then they prove them later on they should be reinstated.

This isn't just about you Paco, this is about all the asshole cheaters in general... I don't care weather the mojority of you cheaters will do it again or not,  there's always going to be one cheating asshole...

So I'm sorry Paco but it's a no

At least half of the cheaters of MKW were immature 13 year olds at the time, they have grown up now, and maybe deserve a second chance (unless they went to lengths to deny their runs were cheated, Walter, Mander and a bunch of others should be banned for life). I guess I am 50/50 on this.

Can someone explain to me how cheating online is even relevant when Time Trialing?

So online rankings and stuff

^Yeah, but then it depends of Nintendo, if they often do patch with a lot of updates we can avoid all that, but not sure they would care enough though.

Well here's my stance on the whole situation: No. Why? Well when you're on a game online to have to lose and be frustrated with the fact that there's someone who's going to play dishonestly only for the purpose of their own self-benefit of greed via ratings, self-emotional pride, etc. it just allows those bad people who can't face the fact that they won't be able to do what they've wanted to do so they'll cheat their way online to show-off, to win, to annoy etc. In some cases there are mistakes where bans are givens for hefty times just because of the use of it. It's not a big deal if it is a friends match because who honestly cares what's going on in those matches it's their own little civil suit and they can solve it themselves so Nintendo has absolutely no reason to pass on bans for what goes on in those matches. The problem is where Nintendo decides that tampering with the system and looking into it is bad. Instead it should be the opposite; it should be encouraged. Why? All you're doing by having people not tamper is losing the ability for the white hat hackers to lose support because you don't want the truth being unveiled within the system, or for liability corporate reasons because you don't want to have to deal with people opening up the system, breaking it, and asking for refunds. It all comes down to self benefit and greed. If people weren't trying to cheat each other via hacking and corporatism then this wouldn't be a problem. Thing is: Ban cheaters, don't ban people who actually take the time to learn how the system works and learn what they can do and uncover just the fascination of technology, instead embrace opening the console and learning how it works. It just makes me sick when people think that hacking = cheating.

Most of the people that are cheating are just getting programs in those rare cases there are actually smart enough people that are doing it for self benefit just to promote their name through a program just so they can get their name out there and purposefully doing the harm all out of greed or they have some crazy mental problem.

I don't understand why we wouldn't allow times if they were streamed, even if the person was a cheater.

You guys realize that cheaters can join the players page under a different name, right?

Michael F wrote on 01/04/15 at 12:21:23:


Basically this. If you're old enough to make sensible posts on the internet and on this forum, then you're old enough to understand the consequences of cheating. Consequences that have been made very clear many times over. Sorry, but it's entirely your fault and you've nobody to blame but yourself.

Cheating = banned

If Victor and Tyler cheated in MKW, why are their WRs counted?
Why is Tyler on the PP?

Sorry if I came out strict or mean but I just don't want any other community to suffer like this community is and it wouldn't be right for other communities to suffer like us because this community sees new cheaters far to much to forgive past cheaters. In all respect they not only ruined it for others but mostly blew it for themselves too.