No, for the simple reason of trust. If they've done it once, who's to say they won't do it again?

I agree with James and Alak  

A huge part of the player's page relies on honesty and trust. By cheating you break the basic principles of the player's page. How are we ever supposed to let people who have done this before back on the page? We can't.

As for my personal opinion: Cheating in a video game is one of the saddest things you can resort to in life. You will never get the recognition you're looking for by this way. Because of this, I strongly oppose second chances being given to people who come clean after cheating. I'll never buy any of that crap like "I was young, I was ignorant" or "I should have never done it, please forgive me". You are always aware of what you are doing when you try to cheat, if you cannot grasp that, than I'll politely ask you to get the fuck out of here.

Hi Mick, i know this post is for me, so i'll writte my opinion without any vote.
For me is not a honor being in a players page or something, i'm not going to die because of getting exclused of a web page.
Firstly when i got mkw and was able to get a few tops at the beginning i had a lot of time for tt in life and was interestant for me to submit times in your page for my own interest because i felt noob and i wanted to compare me on a global with other players, i remember my level similar to cole gilbert, was my very near player to beat allways. After that i became pro started to get some er and many tops and joined the clan KT.
I was keeping submiting times but after the hackers appeared it stopped having sence.

My excuse is not that i was very young, or that i did it bad, mkw whas fucked up because of the hackers, i couldn't play ww because of the cheated items and couldn't get to the tops because of the tases and 0.000 times.
I knew i was very good with the spear, and dh wasn't atractive to tasers for some reason so i centered my self on get my first wr after 5 years in that game.
After that when i lost my wr by doom with the bowser bike, and somebody made a tas with the wheelie shortcut i started triying that with the spear, and got the shortcut very rarelly (still have fails on my chanel of that) it was a matter of time that i got that but after a lot of days i got exausted of failing lap 3.Then talking with somebody i got known about the homebrew chanel and that with a code you could redo any lap. As the rankings where allready fucked up because nintendo was not cleaning them i searched tas on youtube and got a channel of a guy called mr bean, i asked him how to redo a lap and didn't got the answer i was waiting, i say it again, for me mkw was dead and who said no was blind. Then after being acused of asking cheats, the own cheatters did contact with me and got the code, wish my clan published inmediatly in our forum so the code was not only for a few lucky guys.with the code was able firstly to redo my 3rth lap and then got motivated to make a perfect time. I did like 3 OR 4 tas wr but then people where using dolphin to make even more perfect times so i finally quitted mkw at all.

What i want to say about this? get mad first with nintendo for allowing cheats in ww and the charts, second be mad with mr bean for hacking the game instead of going to the gym or have a girlfriend like a normal guy and release the code in secret for a few persons. When the game is screwed at all it has no sence that i'm mad for going in a ww and getting blue shells in the min 0 or for not being able to get on a top because times are perfect, its something you must assume because nintendo failed (im not saying i'm not guilty i did used the codes but who would really care, it was impossible to control that 100% at the end)

Now about mk8: I really like to appear in the oficial nintendo Rankings, that is my only goal when i TT. For me submiting times in your page is work and something good for you, not for me as i'm not interested anymore on comparyng my global time because i don't have time right now to tt all the courses, but it maybe interestand for the comunity to have one of the best player even if it's on a few courses on his pp and make others compare their times with mine. Alvin asked me please to submit my few times to him, i'll did for make him happy as we are very friends because of stealing each other wr in Sonic all star racing, trackmania or some er in mkw.
I really don't care if you use my times or not in your page, i will enjoy the game until mr bean starts fucking the game with his codes in some years and nintendo don0t do nothing.
While that doesn't happen i will tt the courses i can't and like and even if u hate me or u admire me you will have to see me in some tops.

My final opinion about this poll is that it has no sence:

-Wich person will reply a question like that saying yeeeesssss nobody wants cheaters even in a table game so 99% will say no, and if u ask me i will say no too.
-In my opinion pp in mk8 has to be open to everyone until the game gets screwed like mkw, then it's the end and u must assume it the times must be frezzed and be a before and an afer because after.... who knows who is friend of mr bean first and has the code, who knows if the one that cheated in smk or mk64 or mkw now can get the code or the new ones can have it or.. i don't know it's shit because we all love mk here if not we are not making polls or clans or fights or tt... but it's the reallity when cheats are online bye bye mk so we need to enjoy this moment with cheating free online and not think about the fucking cheats in future, because in that moment this mk will be dead.

Now do what u want allow me on the pp or not, but as i said i feel like i'm making a favour to the comunitty doing tt and submiting times not at he invers.

i will continue getting tan, stronger and faster in mk (L)(K)(K)(L)

Rhodechill wrote on 08/24/14 at 21:28:46:


As i said i will enjoy the game now and the years that we can, probablly 2. After is being hacked online and the charts are fucked up i will stop tt again.
And if mr bean releases a TAS code again then why not triying to make a tas wr in some courses again? i mean, i'm not interested right now but maybe in the future when a lot of players tases and a quit mk8 for a time why not take a try to the tas and try to make a tas wr? i would probablly do that, but not while the charts are not fucked up. I'm not going to cry and say lies for being trusted, i'm just the way i am, maybe a little arrogant and ahestethic but it's just for joke, i really love to tt and i know the real concentration and time i expend on it, and i'm the first of you guy that don't want this game to be hacked because im older, i don't play other videogames, so when mkw was dead stopped all, and it will happen again in mk8 and i don't want this, but i will not lie if the fucking codes are out and the charts are dead i don't care if u manage to have a legit pp i will not belive anyone, stop normal tt and try to make some tas wr (i would make it all know if that day comes). cheers

For me, everyone can have a 2nd chance before being banned forever. Then it depends of the people, Mander and Walter, for example, tried too much to say they didn't cheat and also have a lot of knowledges about cheating, but some like Paco and Jay admitted and will maybe change their behaviours. Of course, if MK8 starts being like MKWii it will be very hard to trust past cheaters and we will be afraid that there will be new ones.

About Mr Bean's hacks, I think we could use them only offline and we have the obligation from Nintendo to update the game, we can't use them. So I guess we can have a clean game for a long time if I'm not mistaken and we won't have a Wii U's emulator for a very long time.

7Alvin wrote on 08/25/14 at 05:05:42:


If someone cheats, and maintains that the run is legit even after there is evidence otherwise, I would not trust them again unless I noticed a long-term change in their behavior, or that one incident came from extreme circumstances.

Paco, from his post here, does not seem repentant at all. Perhaps we can trust him until he suspects the game is "broken", but how do you know when that is?

Nintendo will not fix MK8 unless it becomes a big enough problem to stop sales. If it becomes hard to get a good room in WW now, they will probably take action, especially if any upcoming DLC is payed. If it happens when MK9 is already being advertised, they won't care much.

KtPaco wrote on 08/25/14 at 00:22:10:



The tl;dr version of what Paco is saying:

"I will cheat again when I determine the charts are 'fucked up'."

...yeah, no.  

Someone who's advocating for a second chance for cheaters, please enlighten me. What possible reason could there be for someone to cheat at a game and be forgiven for that? Are you honestly willing to let everyone have one shot at cheating and if they come clean afterwards, than they can still decide whether they're suddenly going to play by the rules or not? Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but is there a single cheater that admitted to cheating BEFORE they got caught?

At first I thought past cheaters could just prove every single PR they made sharing their ghost or doing a video of it. But as said above, if we allow them to be back on the PP that means we will have to trust them when TAS tools are available. So no.

7Alvin wrote on 08/26/14 at 00:35:04:



just going to reply to this with :


What if they found how to cheat but won't tell to anyone?

7Alvin wrote on 08/26/14 at 00:35:04:

"Let's only allow you on the site until it is possible to cheat runs, when then we'll remove you anyway regardless of what you do!"

In which world is this a reasonable option? They either stay out or they stay in completely (until they actually cheat again). There would be no guarantees for those who would want to redeem themselves.