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06/08/14 at 15:03:36

I noticed in the mk8 pp there is a section for flaps like in mk7. Now the game doesn't track flaps because of coins and section tracks I'm guessing, but to me it doesn't make sense to track something that the game also doesnt track. In mk7 many top players asked to have their flaps removed from the pp because it was cluttering up their rankings and no one played them seriously. Can we have them removed so that we can prevent this from happening again? I don't want it to be like mk7 where we just kept it around because it was too late to change anything. At least have them moved to a different page on the site.

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Raγ King Offline missed 4409 mts NL, Canada Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #1 - 06/08/14 at 15:05:33 Agree with this as well. Would like to see it taken away before anything becomes set in stone
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MH King Offline Markus Hobelsberger Fireball Pro 6106 sex records Germany Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #2 - 06/08/14 at 15:19:19 As much as I love flaps in Mario Kart (and hate Nintendo for removing them step by step), it is a pain to play them with the coin collecting, so yea, it is probably better to just track 3laps as main ranking.
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Chuck Foster King Offline __THAT__GUY__ 6769 sex records Texas, USA Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #3 - 06/08/14 at 15:23:06 Agreed. Please remove them.
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Mick Ninja Offline 6045 holabolas France Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #4 - 06/08/14 at 15:28:08 Flaps aren't supposed to be there at all, I already specifically mentioned that they aren't tracked in this game, but I guess Alex wasn't bothered enough to remove them from the coding when making the site.
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Rookie Elite Offline 4893 days karting Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #5 - 06/08/14 at 16:51:38 I agree, get a separate page for them I think. As a news writer for MK7 it was also kinda annoying to have to skim over flaps on a profile to see which times were actually needed to be written about, and it also ruined the matchups thing too.
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AlexPenev Master Ninja Offline I play in 70Hz ate 7997 donuts	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #6 - 06/10/14 at 03:37:38 Sorry, I didn't realise people wanted them gone. I've removed mentions of laps from all pages I could find. Tell me if I missed any or messed up any averages/calculations.
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hahaae Titan Offline post-psychedelia retired 5324 times Arkansas, USA Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #7 - 06/10/14 at 03:44:17 While we're bitching about the site, I'm just curious. What's with the Retro track names? Having "Retro Wii Moo Moo Meadows" is a bit stupid IMO. Why not just "Retro Moo Moo Meadows"?
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dragondragon King Offline hit 6899 moles Earth Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #8 - 06/10/14 at 04:14:40 AlexPenev wrote on 06/10/14 at 03:37:38: Sorry, I didn't realise people wanted them gone. I've removed mentions of laps from all pages I could find. Tell me if I missed any or messed up any averages/calculations. Joining info page still has them on the submission example.
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MH King Offline Markus Hobelsberger Fireball Pro 6106 days karting Germany Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #9 - 06/10/14 at 10:19:43 hahaae wrote on 06/10/14 at 03:44:17: While we're bitching about the site, I'm just curious. What's with the Retro track names? Having "Retro Wii Moo Moo Meadows" is a bit stupid IMO. Why not just "Retro Moo Moo Meadows"? Or even better, just "Wii Moo Moo Meadows" like they are called in-game
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Re: flaps on the pp
Reply #10 - 06/10/14 at 12:20:34

MH wrote on 06/10/14 at 10:19:43:

hahaae wrote on 06/10/14 at 03:44:17:

While we're bitching about the site, I'm just curious. What's with the Retro track names? Having "Retro Wii Moo Moo Meadows" is a bit stupid IMO. Why not just "Retro Moo Moo Meadows"?

Or even better, just "Wii Moo Moo Meadows" like they are called in-game Wink

If you do that, the names aren't uniform, which avoids confusion for submitting records.

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Luke B Elite Offline well would you look at that seen 4556 mj vids Ireland Gender:	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #11 - 06/10/14 at 12:28:59 and just to be prepared can we please for the love of god make no-sc the main chart. it literally ruined mkw
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Re: flaps on the pp
Reply #12 - 06/10/14 at 13:04:41

Luke B wrote on 06/10/14 at 12:28:59:

and just to be prepared can we please for the love of god make no-sc the main chart. it literally ruined mkw

I think the primary issue was that Nintendo's main online charts included SC, so to remain relevant the PP had to adopt this stance as well. Ultimately, it will likely be determined by how Nintendo handles records in their own charts.

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shadow wrote on 06/10/03 at 04:55:18:

It goes (from hardest to easiest): NTSC -> Gallo NTSC -> Australian PAL -> English/Irish PAL -> Dutch PAL. Everyone knows that.

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Reply #13 - 06/10/14 at 13:45:02

Jonesy wrote on 06/10/14 at 13:04:41:

Luke B wrote on 06/10/14 at 12:28:59:

and just to be prepared can we please for the love of god make no-sc the main chart. it literally ruined mkw

I think the primary issue was that Nintendo's main online charts included SC, so to remain relevant the PP had to adopt this stance as well. Ultimately, it will likely be determined by how Nintendo handles records in their own charts.

I think we should keep non-SC as the main regardless (but still have SC charts, if there are any SC's, of course), because something really changed in MKW. Everyone went from playing the glitches and thinking, "Wow, a new glitch, this is cool/fun," to, "Fuck's sake, not another one." This is notable because almost nobody really plays the glitches anymore except for a select few people, because the glitches devolved from some luck/skill factor to just, "fire shroom in general direction of tree, there's a 1/1000 chance you'll get it, so pray it works." It also creates a huge imbalance in the actual skill among racers on the charts; many good players like Bubbles, Brendan, etc., who would still be rather high-ranking, have plummetted because they retired before the newer glitches were found, and they went from sometimes top10 on a track to ranked ~200 on said track, killing their AF. And no, they usually don't have complete Non-SC timesheets, because things like Grumble Volcano No Glitch/SC weren't even a real category until mid/late 2010; before that, everyone (myself included) just viewed that category as a dumb gimmick for people to play if they weren't good enough to get a top10 with the rock hop.

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Reply #14 - 06/10/14 at 13:51:50

All valid points. The unfortunate reality is that since Nintendo has a de-facto ranking system already (top 10) we have to make concessions in order to line up with their own ranking system or risk being viewed as an illegitimate ranking system by outside viewers which would likely prohibit growth. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be split charts as there is with almost every other MK game it's just that I think the main chart should line up with Nintendo's own ranking system. Let's hope that their console dev history pattern holds true and MK8 is more SMK/MKDD and less MK64/MKW.

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shadow wrote on 06/10/03 at 04:55:18:

It goes (from hardest to easiest): NTSC -> Gallo NTSC -> Australian PAL -> English/Irish PAL -> Dutch PAL. Everyone knows that.

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AlexPenev Master Ninja Offline I play in 70Hz 7997 holabolas	Re: flaps on the pp Reply #15 - 06/10/14 at 20:52:06 I have the game but haven't had time to unwrap it, so I don't know the track names. Please tell me how you would like the tracks to be labeled.
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Reply #16 - 06/11/14 at 10:04:15

Well I've only really played mkw, so my experience with glitches is pretty god awful. Like hahaae said, glitches in that game went from actually requiring some skill and accuracy to just aim in the same spot 1000 times and maybe make it once. Basically the main charts (which were sc) turned into who can make every glitch (basically who can get luckiest). Maybe other games are different, I don't know.

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This is the player's page not a nintendo site. As such, it should be down to the players themselves to decide what we want, not nintendo. I'm not even sure if they have the ability to only display no-sc times on their official in-game charts. So basically I think we should set up a poll to see what will be the main chart, no-sc or sc, and go with majority vote.

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hahaae wrote on 07/05/15 at 14:40:32:

Here's an easy conclusion. Old SC's that didn't require you to ram into the last pixel of a pole, then pray you bounced high enough, weren't for cunts and needledicks. Clipping SC's are for cunts and needledicks.

hahaae wrote on 04/02/16 at 08:46:10:

Blacks TAS far superior kys

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