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Reply #50 - 06/02/14 at 07:19:59
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 06/02/14 at 05:54:55:
I think softdrifting doesn’t work with the WU gamepad thing…


I'm playing the gamepad like a handheld. Yes it works.
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Reply #51 - 06/02/14 at 07:25:15
 
karterfreak wrote on 06/02/14 at 06:42:40:
It works with the Wii U Tablet, but its asstons harder because there's no notches in the plastic at the 8 usual directions.

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Reply #52 - 06/02/14 at 09:10:11
 
Ebil wrote on 05/31/14 at 22:16:51:
Hopefully someone else answers these questions too. Since I'm not entirely sure about it all. Especially since they hop during the boost too.

I have seen the hopping technique during a shroom, but not at a start up boost.
Edit: Nvm, Alaktorn said it is faster for start up.

Someone should try and find the minimum input for a softdrift. In MKW, it was a 3, but for some reason, everyone used 45 degrees which is a 5. From reading the posts, it seems like people were getting slower MT charge rates doing roughly 45 degrees, so likely the range of fast MT charge is much smaller (5-7 or something). Why the hell does nintendo not have a drift system that has the charge rate literally proportional to how tight you are drifting?

hahaae wrote on 06/02/14 at 01:53:22:
God damn, this game's mechanics/physics are fucking worse than MK7 for fucks sake. Think I'm just going to stick to wifi, TT's in this game are too fucking stupid. Why the fuck is spam hopping all over the place like a retarded cunt faster in this game, fuck that.

Also, this.
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I’m stupid.

Rhodechill wrote on 03/07/14 at 13:18:47:
Saw little to no softdrifting in that.
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Reply #53 - 06/02/14 at 09:19:35
 
TASPlasma wrote on 06/02/14 at 09:10:11:
Ebil wrote on 05/31/14 at 22:16:51:
Hopefully someone else answers these questions too. Since I'm not entirely sure about it all. Especially since they hop during the boost too.

I have seen the hopping technique during a shroom, but not at a start up boost.
Edit: Nvm, Alaktorn said it is faster for start up.

hahaae wrote on 06/02/14 at 01:53:22:
God damn, this game's mechanics/physics are fucking worse than MK7 for fucks sake. Think I'm just going to stick to wifi, TT's in this game are too fucking stupid. Why the fuck is spam hopping all over the place like a retarded cunt faster in this game, fuck that.

Also, this.

Watch DP3 WR.
And hop-tech just adds strategy lol.
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Reply #54 - 06/02/14 at 12:01:50
 
Thanks for the advice karterfreak! Smiley

Does anyone know if it's possible to do the same thing with the wii wheel?
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Reply #55 - 06/02/14 at 13:01:02
 
Crony wrote on 06/02/14 at 12:01:50:
Does anyone know if it's possible to do the same thing with the wii wheel?

why would it not be?
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Reply #56 - 06/02/14 at 14:40:14
 
Oh god! thank you Matt for the explanation. It works really fine for me and I managed to do it all 3laps. However, getting a coin while hopping after an SMT is a pain in the ass... Grin
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Reply #57 - 06/05/14 at 17:41:56
 
Gimme the short answer.  How do you softdrift?
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Reply #58 - 06/05/14 at 17:47:37
 
consistent version: 45 degree directional input
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Reply #59 - 06/05/14 at 17:50:04
 
OceanX wrote on 06/05/14 at 17:47:37:
consistent version: 45 degree directional input


Thanks, this was exactly the post I was looking for.  BTW, it seems you haven't accepted my friend request yet?
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Reply #60 - 06/05/14 at 18:32:01
 
I don't get this shit at all. I'm doing 45 degress, with different controllers yet the result is always the same: not coming out as fast it should be.

I hold @ 45 for the duration of the charge right? If that's not the case then that's where I'm messing up, but if that is the case, as said above, I don't get this.
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Reply #61 - 06/05/14 at 18:35:22
 
Sorozone wrote on 06/05/14 at 18:32:01:
I don't get this shit at all. I'm doing 45 degress, with different controllers yet the result is always the same: not coming out as fast it should be.

I hold @ 45 for the duration of the charge right? If that's not the case then that's where I'm messing up, but if that is the case, as said above, I don't get this.


Ikr?  The ability for players like Cole and Alexony to go ahead and semi-invent this technique and master it in such a short time, plus pull off clean runs all the while is incomprehensible to me.  They have programmed their brains to adapt so well to various MK's.
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Reply #62 - 06/05/14 at 20:02:48
 
I don't think the literal "on" state is 45 degrees, it's just convenient with an octagonal shaped controller mount that guarantees the fast charge at a lower drift angle. If true then it follows that gamepad/circular mount has more potential for even faster MTs.
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Reply #63 - 06/05/14 at 20:10:26
 
Well yeah, but what I'm saying is that even when I have it in that vicinity of the 'sweet spot' '45 degrees'. It isn't charging as fast as the current MKS WR holder, even when I race the ghost and follow the same line.

I'm obviously missing something here. I mean I'm not trying to go for a 1:1 ratio here of exactness, but I'm like .3-.5 seconds off in comparison. So something is off, something I'm not getting.

Honestly just a 5 second video or gif of a persons thumb and joystick doing the first turn on MKS would help me wonders.
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Reply #64 - 06/05/14 at 20:23:58
 
Yeah, been having the same issue. I've also noticed on tracks like MW, if I softdrift with the control stick at the top when going for a 45* angle, I fucking slow down. This normally isn't a problem, but when going downhill, pushing the control stick up is just something I have hammered into my brain from MKW.
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Reply #65 - 06/05/14 at 20:26:11
 
Rhodechill wrote on 06/05/14 at 18:35:22:
Sorozone wrote on 06/05/14 at 18:32:01:
I don't get this shit at all. I'm doing 45 degress, with different controllers yet the result is always the same: not coming out as fast it should be.

I hold @ 45 for the duration of the charge right? If that's not the case then that's where I'm messing up, but if that is the case, as said above, I don't get this.


Ikr?  The ability for players like Cole and Alexony to go ahead and semi-invent this technique and master it in such a short time, plus pull off clean runs all the while is incomprehensible to me.  They have programmed their brains to adapt so well to various MK's.

It's not like they invented it in MK8. Softdrifting has been around since MKW, and also MK7. But it's not like you just hold at 45 degrees all the time. You can always hold full turn after passing the apex of a turn to charge the rest of the SMT faster.
Also, 45 degrees is just the easiest place to hold it on some controllers. Not always the best for certain turns.

hahaae wrote on 06/05/14 at 20:23:58:
Yeah, been having the same issue. I've also noticed on tracks like MW, if I softdrift with the control stick at the top when going for a 45* angle, I fucking slow down. This normally isn't a problem, but when going downhill, pushing the control stick up is just something I have hammered into my brain from MKW.

This. So much this. I lose time because I softdrift on MW. :/
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Reply #66 - 06/05/14 at 20:39:16
 
Sorozone wrote on 06/05/14 at 20:10:26:
I'm obviously missing something here.


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Reply #67 - 10/29/14 at 11:15:14
 
karterfreak wrote on 06/02/14 at 04:24:53:
Okay, so I've finally got this stupid MKS first turn thing figured out. It's a combination of both the SMT tech with Soft Drifting.

This is a little bit easier to explain with a picture so crappy paint picture below
http://puu.sh/9bLaq/43dbdadb32.jpg

When taking a right turn (aka: MKS first turn) you only ever want to have your analog in one of two positions shown with the blue markers. you have it at blue 1 when you're controlling the drift and blue 2 when you're building the MT. Having it at the red 1 is BAD and will make you drift way tighter while not building the MT any faster. When controlling the MT on a right turn having the analog stick at the red 2 is also bad because you're not controlling your kart as well as you can be, while still getting the same charge speed as the blue 1.

Reverse all of the above for left turns. (aka: MKS last turn)


Sorry for bumping this thread, but I'm beginning to learn how to drive correctly at MK8, and I'd really like to softdrift correctly. Matt (or someone else), could you please upload your explanation picture again, so that I can see what to do ? Another question: can I softdrift with the D-pad, or is it better to use the analog stick (I have a Wii U pro controller) ? As a true SMK player, I'd like to stick to my beloved D-pad thing, but I might switch to the analog controler if it's easier/faster/simpler.
I'll probably have a lot more questions for you guys, as I'm just a beginner here, but this seems to be the main thing I'm missing for now (as well as firehops).

Thanks in advance Wink
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Reply #68 - 10/29/14 at 12:00:27
 
I think softdrifting has been explained enough times, it shouldn't be hard to read this or another thread to find an explanation.

As for DPads, I've posted is some thread before that DPads softdrift worse than sticks. (You will turn tighter with a pad vs. with a stick.)
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Reply #69 - 10/29/14 at 12:30:53
 
Suuper wrote on 10/29/14 at 12:00:27:
I think softdrifting has been explained enough times, it shouldn't be hard to read this or another thread to find an explanation.

As for DPads, I've posted is some thread before that DPads softdrift worse than sticks. (You will turn tighter with a pad vs. with a stick.)


I've read different explanations about it (thanks to the guys who made them), but this picture would help me to understand precisely the zone I have to aim at for softdrifting correctly.
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Reply #70 - 10/29/14 at 12:59:05
 
Made a quick image about how softdrifting works so that people finally stop getting confused.



The orange zones are where the stick has to be to get the fastest mini-turbo charging rate.
In the white zone, the mini-turbo will charge "normally", as if the stick was left in neutral position (gray).
The red lines are roughly the ideal positions for optimal softdrifting (getting the fastest charge while turning as less as possible)

The majority of people softdrift by tilting the stick upward while turning, but as you can guess from the image above, pulling the stick in a direction but not completely all the way also works.

Notice how the 45° angles are a bit off the red line into the orange zones. This means using a D-pad, or the octogonal indentations on a Nunchuk/Wii Classic controller, will allow you to softdrift, but not in an optimal way. While this is good enough for most courses, this can be troublesome in some places like the frequently mentioned first turn on MKS.

Ultimately, the controllers with the round ridges (Gamepad and Pro Controller) are the most convenient to use (imo), since it's easier to fine-tune the level of drifting during a turn with them, and stay on the best line, but you only ripe those small benefits at high level play, so stick with what you're the more comfortable with unless you want to reach the top.
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Reply #71 - 10/29/14 at 16:35:51
 
^ I should point out that my earlier post about DPad v. stick is still true when using the indents on an octagonal stick.
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Reply #72 - 10/31/14 at 06:18:28
 
Mick wrote on 10/29/14 at 12:59:05:
Made a quick image about how softdrifting works so that people finally stop getting confused.

http://i.imgur.com/NY94u5m.png

The orange zones are where the stick has to be to get the fastest mini-turbo charging rate.
In the white zone, the mini-turbo will charge "normally", as if the stick was left in neutral position (gray).
The red lines are roughly the ideal positions for optimal softdrifting (getting the fastest charge while turning as less as possible)

The majority of people softdrift by tilting the stick upward while turning, but as you can guess from the image above, pulling the stick in a direction but not completely all the way also works.

Notice how the 45° angles are a bit off the red line into the orange zones. This means using a D-pad, or the octogonal indentations on a Nunchuk/Wii Classic controller, will allow you to softdrift, but not in an optimal way. While this is good enough for most courses, this can be troublesome in some places like the frequently mentioned first turn on MKS.

Ultimately, the controllers with the round ridges (Gamepad and Pro Controller) are the most convenient to use (imo), since it's easier to fine-tune the level of drifting during a turn with them, and stay on the best line, but you only ripe those small benefits at high level play, so stick with what you're the more comfortable with unless you want to reach the top.


Thanks Mick, much appreciated Wink
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Reply #73 - 11/01/14 at 08:46:26
 
Good stuff Mick! Best picture and clear explanations.  Wink
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