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05/17/14 at 14:07:23
 
Hey guys,

before going into details, I just want to ask if the majority of CDM participants and especially its organisers could imagine a combined gathering in 2015? Roll Eyes

The reasons why this idea has come to my mind are:
- people like Moll, Chraizy, Mario86, KVD who are interested in both games and meets
- the small location in Germany where we hosted the 1st edition of "European MK64 meet" last year; nice for a limited number of people, but impossible for 15+
- the great impression of tournament organisation I got from watching the CDM 2013 via stream
- Sami's proposal to include MK64 in CDM when we planned the EM2013

Some people said back then the MK64 tournaments would end up as side event, and I wanted to make sure everyone's opinion is respected, so we focused on an own meet first. Now that I've met KVD, Meridian, 20-100 and more nice Dutchmen at the NLG, I know I'd enjoy being part of the CDM family and get to know players from other MKs although I'm not a typical gamer (only MK64 with passion so far).

It would be an honour and pleasure to fill the great venue with SMK and MK64 noise Cheesy, I'm sure the staff/players may be able to organise a fantastic piece of kart art. What do you think, SMK world? Smiley

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Reply #1 - 05/18/14 at 11:25:15
 
The biggest issue I'd see is for anyone wanting to take part in both games, even for the shittier players like me who invariably get knocked out in group or last 16 stage it's quite a long day of gaming each day at cdm and to try to then mix in another contest would be difficult. It's also not the easiest to practice up at two kart games at the same time, but then I didn't practice for the euro kart64 meet last year so might not be the biggest issue. The biggest advantage (for me) is saving up on leave days not having to go to two different events, but then I like going to the events so I'd probably only end up using those leave days on something less fun anyway.
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Reply #2 - 05/18/14 at 13:20:42
 
I don't mind as long the CDM doesn't go away Tongue I love SMK but I pretty dislike MK64  Tongue
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Reply #3 - 05/18/14 at 14:09:02
 
It will be almost impossible to organise two competition during the same week and same time unfortunatly

MK64MR wrote on 05/17/14 at 14:07:23:
It would be an honour and pleasure to fill the great venue with SMK and MKDD noise Cheesy,

better if fixed like this Aron ?
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Reply #4 - 05/18/14 at 14:31:35
 
Agreed with Flo233, getting them at the same time will be very difficult. Not sure if combining the games in some way was the aim, or just simply to have them run side by side and give an opportunity for more people to meet. In regards to my proposal, it was more to see if the CDM style would work for MK64, or if more of the Mk64 players wanted to visit the SMK world championship one year for that game only. Doing them for both games for the high number of competitors would be time consuming. If anyone has any ideas please feel free to share.
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Reply #5 - 05/18/14 at 15:03:13
 
Sami de la SMK wrote on 05/18/14 at 14:31:35:
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I'd really like it if someone would invent a pill that makes everything taste like pizza, just imagine being able to eat healthy shit like cabbage and actually enjoying the taste rather than wanting to vomit.
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Reply #6 - 05/18/14 at 15:53:58
 
Why can't you just not eat cabbage? I can't stand it myself.  Smiley

I never really care what's healthy or not, I eat what I want, when I want. If I feel like eating an extra large pizza, then by golly, I'll eat an extra large pizza, all 3,000 calories of it. If I feel like drinking six pints of ale then I'll drink six pints of ale. I really have no restraint at all when it comes to my "diet". You may live a little longer if you make yourself only eat healthy food, but if you don't allow yourself to eat anything you want, is life even worth living?  Smiley
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Reply #7 - 05/18/14 at 16:45:51
 
You guys just turned thread derailment into an art form.
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Reply #8 - 05/19/14 at 04:59:18
 
Well, basically, the concept of mixing the two oldest MKs in a common meeting is awesome. But there are a few problems:

• the feeling the historical SMK championships could lose some part of their identity
• the potential impossibility to organize both meetings at equal intensity
• the fact SMK big players would not find time to attend the MK64 competition, and vice versa
• the required number of days for such an event if we make it playable for both sides (the best I can think of is 7 consecutive days of hard MK competition, which would be physically hard even for Sami, Neo, Karel or myself)

I think the best thing to do though would be FFSMK hosting an extra MK64 tournament in a 7-day CDM just like we did in 2012. In August we'll have the venue for a whole week but competition will start only on Tuesday evening, to end up on Friday to Saturday night, with one day and a half for extra stuff just after. Maybe if CDM was starting on Monday, there would be a room for the MK64 groupstages on Friday and final phases on Saturday, since everything would be shorter (unless there are 25+ people interested, which would make us think about a better solution). I'd personally love to have a combined SMK/MK64 meeting and it's a good thing if we start talking about it so early, because it will take time before we find how to deal with it.

I'll post a topic about that eventuality on the French MB too.

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I never really care what's healthy or not, I eat what I want, when I want. If I feel like eating an extra large pizza, then by golly, I'll eat an extra large pizza, all 3,000 calories of it. If I feel like drinking six pints of ale then I'll drink six pints of ale. I really have no restraint at all when it comes to my "diet". You may live a little longer if you make yourself only eat healthy food, but if you don't allow yourself to eat anything you want, is life even worth living?  Smiley

I love the way you're thinking Nicholas. No offence but this is very surprising from a "man of faith" like you!
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Reply #9 - 05/19/14 at 05:16:22
 
I firmly believe it can be done without major compromises to the tournaments of either game.

With EVO they run major tournaments of a lot of fighting games in 1 (long) weekend and they get it done with thousands of participants. The way they solve it is do a very thorough job at the seeding, so people like Daigo (that participate in multiple SF versions) don't have to play a lot of qualification stage to slaughter noobs all day.
If such a set-up with multiple MKs could work for CDM, yes I am sure it could. If it would work I'm less sure, since it seems a lot of people insist on the importance of these group stage matches.

I think if this is to be attempted, the potential organisers would do well to take a look at how EVO is done, to get some ideas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Championship_Series;  http://shoryuken.com/evo-player-guide/evo-tournament-rules/

It's a dream to turn CDM into the MarioKart equivalent of EVO, with big multiplayer tournaments of all MKs under one roof. I guess this can only be achieved by limiting the nr of matches played per kart/per participant (basically participants only play matches that really matter), but the return of investment would be insane with all the entertainment and all kart champions of the world uniting.  Cool Obviously those are future dreams, but uniting SMK & MK64 in some shape or form next year could be a first stepping stone.
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Reply #10 - 05/19/14 at 07:13:27
 
We need to keep those GS matches, it's pretty much all most of us have.
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ShadowOfMyles wrote on 02/14/15 at 07:54:58:
Just one week before caivs discovered the splices, I had a dream where I took flight over a field. A creature ascended toward me from the nearby forest. As the creature approached, I looked at it and said:

"Ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon."
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Reply #11 - 05/19/14 at 07:21:01
 
Yeah the idea is that you can participate in multiple karts and thereby still have the same frequency of GS matches during your daily routine. Works perfectly for EVO. Might work for MKs one day if the community at large finds it important enough. An alternative solution is letting players that are expected to do well enter the brackets at a later stage of the respective tournament(s).
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Reply #12 - 05/19/14 at 07:51:52
 
KVD wrote on 05/19/14 at 07:21:01:
Yeah the idea is that you can participate in multiple karts and thereby still have the same frequency of GS matches during your daily routine. Works perfectly for EVO. Might work for MKs one day if the community at large finds it important enough. An alternative solution is letting players that are expected to do well enter the brackets at a later stage of the respective tournament(s).



Then it is a matter of when and where. With France being a central hub where SMK is concerned as it has good venues and facilities plus a huge number of players. Prices are good for venues. Agreed it would be wonderful to see, and with the twitch etc, combining it with future mario karts in some form could do well for the World audiences.

If we end up going the Evo direction in future with multiple mario kart games we could end up needing a venue the size of the Death Star to accomodate everyone.
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Reply #13 - 05/19/14 at 08:13:50
 
Yea it's a pity not everyone is as easy to accomodate as Drew.
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ShadowOfMyles wrote on 02/14/15 at 07:54:58:
Just one week before caivs discovered the splices, I had a dream where I took flight over a field. A creature ascended toward me from the nearby forest. As the creature approached, I looked at it and said:

"Ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon."
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Reply #14 - 05/19/14 at 11:27:29
 
Antistar wrote on 05/19/14 at 04:59:18:
I love the way you're thinking Nicholas. No offence but this is very surprising from a "man of faith" like you!


Heh, I'm considered the agnostic in my family  Grin
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Reply #15 - 05/19/14 at 13:14:11
 
Thanks for your thoughts and ideas so far Smiley. There is still much time to compare pro and contra, to see if it's possible at all at the current CDM venue. What I can tell you is that the 1st European meet last year was small because the majority of MK64 players lives in North America; 10 of 25 interested people came in the end, nevertheless the top 4 of the world (5 top-10 members) joined the action. So the total number of people probably wouldn't go from 30-40 to more than 50-60 and you already managed to welcome about 50 karters in 2012. Unless many SMK players participate in both games' tournaments, it'd be less than double effort/time to cover everything.

@ all who like the idea of a common event: Keep me informed about any news please.
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Reply #16 - 05/22/14 at 06:22:24
 
I am interested in both games. I would have liked to come to the MK64 meet last year but it was so close to CDM it would have been difficult to attend both given that I have my mum to look after and a cat who hates catteries  Embarrassed
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Zarkov wrote on 05/22/14 at 06:29:42:
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Just one week before caivs discovered the splices, I had a dream where I took flight over a field. A creature ascended toward me from the nearby forest. As the creature approached, I looked at it and said:

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MK64MR wrote on 05/19/14 at 13:14:11:
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Reply #20 - 05/22/14 at 11:22:03
 
I have a mat that hates matteries. I blame society...
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Anna Moon wrote on 05/22/14 at 06:22:24:
I would have liked to come to the MK64 meet last year but it was so close to CDM it would have been difficult to attend both given that I have my mum to look after and a cat who hates catteries  Embarrassed


Hmmm, catteries? I never seen that word before and looked it up, apparently it's where you breed cats. Do you really need to be breeding your calico while you attend a Kart tourney?  Grin

Sorry to hear about your mother. I thought she'd be able to care for Anchan while you're out of town, but the way you're talking it seems that she might not be capable of doing that.  Tongue

Going to two Kart tourneys in the same summer must really be a blast. Especially if your UK teammates are on the same plane. I wonder if anyone else goes to both SMK and MK64 CDM's.
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Reply #22 - 05/23/14 at 01:58:54
 
Harvey Kartel wrote on 05/22/14 at 20:55:20:
Anna Moon wrote on 05/22/14 at 06:22:24:
I would have liked to come to the MK64 meet last year but it was so close to CDM it would have been difficult to attend both given that I have my mum to look after and a cat who hates catteries  Embarrassed




Going to two Kart tourneys in the same summer must really be a blast. Especially if your UK teammates are on the same plane. I wonder if anyone else goes to both SMK and MK64 CDM's.


Usually not possible for us in the UK as it will always clash with other holidays plus we cant always get that much time off work. Even sometimes booking off for one CDM was difficult. This year we had the dates early which helped. In 2013 i almost couldn't make it. That said, going to lots of meets must be cool, can meet more people and have a laugh.
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Reply #23 - 05/23/14 at 03:51:39
 
@Nick: A cattery will just look after my cat while I'm away, no breeding.  Last time my cat went to the cattery she pulled a lot of her fur out and attacked the staff when they tried to put her in her cage to bring her home, she also went wild in the cage and injured herself and had to go to the vets.  Embarrassed
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Reply #24 - 05/24/14 at 14:41:10
 
I would play an MK64 competition for sure, but only for fun since I'm very bad at it. I would love to see them both at the CDM, BUT I would also hate if the final results of SMK (and therefore the CDM final rankings) got influenced by my poor performances on MK64 hahahaha...

It's a very biased way to think but that's all I got.
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