Suuper wrote on 07/10/14 at 14:17:30:


But it's not always faster, is it ?

If so, can someone quickly make a list of the tracks where it's usefull / useless ?

If you have time to hop before you need to drift, and it's not a place where hopping slows you down, it's better.
Pretty simple really. Why would you want a list?

A couple WRs use both Pipe Frame and Slim tires. I wonder if some other combination might be better. Someone should double-check since I know that some (not sure which or what is right) of my numbers are off, but this is what I see:

Using Mach 8 and different tires is not as good.
A few combos with slim have potentially better speed/traction/MT combinations:
-Standard kart (plus .25 speed for minus .25 MT)
-Badwagon, if traction is more important than MT
-The Duke and Teddy Buggy are the same as standard kart, except, obviously, they are not karts. (Would make sense if an ATV worked well on rDDD.)

http://youtu.be/AlycnyVgMD0

idk if this could be done consistantly, it reminds me of the double trick you can get on Wario's Gold Mine before the mine in MKW. It looks faster, though.

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/15/14 at 09:22:47:


Isn't traction the important stat when drifting, not handling?

On Toad Harbor it is possible to low jump both of the ramps at the beginning. (Just jump at the right time before hitting the ramp.) I haven't yet been able to do this while also getting good bunny hops before the first one, so I don't know if it's faster.

While I'm posting, here's another idea I haven't yet tested. The long turn after the two ramps looks like it might be possible to use a blue MT mid-turn and still get a SMT. If so, going outside on the hop should be an easy fix, since you'd be well away from obstacles at the time the blue MT charges.

These aren't all new, but here's a list of things I see that the current WRs don't do, but should. (or probably should)

MKS:
-Bunny hop at the start. Clear advantage.
-Probably get both coins at the start. It's a +1 coin advantage for a lap and a half, and doesn't seem to lose me too much time.
-Hop over a bit of grass on the 2nd anti-grav turn. (Except lap 1, get coins instead.)
-Pretty sure it's only not done due to difficulty, but get 4-5 coins while gliding.

WP:
-Not sure if two directional hops can be fit in at the start.
-Not tested against a ghost, but I seem to go faster when bunny hopping after landing in the water.
-Again untested; it is possible to get 2 coins at least on the 2nd underwater group (before the line of 3 and glider). Might not be worth it since 10th coin is already close.

SSC:
-Blue MT after glider? Seems to be a less likely place than others.

MC:
-Blue MTs on some SMT turns. At least the ones near the castle.

TH:
-Untested; low jump both ramps at start? Pretty hard.
-Untested; blue MT on turn after boost ramps?
-Delay SMT before downhill a bit, and jump from just before downhill bit.
-Bump wall at end of laps 1-2 for SMT. (similar to rYV lap end)

TM:
-Delay last underwater MT until 1-2 hops lands you on boost pad. (Stack those hops)

SA:
-Untested; idea I just had: release blue MT at start earlier, to drift off ramp and get enough charge in air for SMT?
-Delay blue MT before boost pads for better hop stacking.

Ed:
-Hop before 2nd glider?
-Skim at end?

BC:
-Release MT earlier at the end of anti-grav section, to stack hops from it with boost pads. (Unless SMTs and boost pads stack?)

rMC:
-Add a hop or two to the start?

rCCB:
-Hop at the start.
-Blue MT before 2nd last SMT?

rDP3:
-WR stops hopping before mole hill 1st lap?
-Also doesn't trick on lap 2?

rDKJ:
-Swap the coins from laps 1-2 at the start of lap. (Assuming lap 3 path is faster) should be very minor

rMP:
-Untested; go around grass at end, and shroom to stack hops?

rYV:
-Blue MT on first turn. (at least laps 2-3)
-Untested; instead of drifting through the grass at the SC, bunny hop and aim further left, to cut more grass (enter SC a bit wider)

rTTC:
-Hop at the start?
-Start bunny hopping earlier at end.

rPPS:
-Hop at the start
-Untested; Idk how, but I once jumped from near the top of the downhill all the way to the first ramp.

rRRd:
-Hop at the start.


If any of these are known to be slower (or equal) than current WR strats, please tell me so. (and why/how it's slower, please)

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/19/14 at 19:29:24:


It stops hopping because if it didn't the hopping speed would transfer to the air? Is that because the turn is coming up so soon?

Is it possible to low jump/trick off mole hills?

And how did I miss a hopping at start? :/

Suuper wrote on 07/19/14 at 17:15:43:


OK, I wonder what you mean by "skim"??? idk if a hop before the ramp is slower, should try it... But my time is already pretty good so... *wink*

EDIT: [...] if a jump before the ramp is slower or faster [...]

Still no hopping of any sort on CC start/finish straight...

Suuper wrote on 07/19/14 at 17:15:43:


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1 time I must have even been able to hop over the 1st turn's grass at rRRy XD

Timothy wrote on 07/21/14 at 00:12:49:


Hopping at the start saves a kart length quite easily for me. It may not be major, but it's easy.
You're at least exaggerating how much time it takes to get that 2nd coin. When I did it, I'm no more than .15 slower on lap one. (Didn't pay that much attention to the times, so that's just a safe number; it's possibly less.)
Did you try the grass? I didn't expect it to work well, but it does save time for me. (Versus my own ghosts. Maybe I should try against a WR ghost. Would have to use an extra shroom to keep up.)