D1 Final Vote Count
[7] TvK: Zwiebel, Kmacc, J-Cop, Fank009, Timothy, Silver, Fant0m
[4] Silver: Shock, TvK, Lock, Fant0m, blahpy
[1] Shock: Lafungo, Sportsguy001
[1] Brett: Lafungo
[0] Kmacc: Timothy, Fant0m/Flo
[0] Sportsguy001: Fank009
[0] Fant0m/Flo: Brett, Silver, Kmacc, TvK, Blahpy
[0] Zwiebel: Fank009
[0] Fank009: Blahpy
[0] Lafungo: Shock
[0] Lock: Kmacc
[0] Timothy: Kmacc
[0] Blahpy: TvK, Lock
[0] J-Cop:

TvK has been Lynched

TvK was Zangief



After walking around the venue for the days fight he TvK was spotted in the corner of the practice area talking to some of his compatriots. The others mistook him for being suspicious but actually he was looking around trying to find out who had killed Fei the night before. Zangief was a Russian spy, he was the scanner.

Night 1 Begins now and finishes in 24hours or earlier if I get a fast reply in which case I shall open the thread early. So keep coming back to check in.

Day 2 Begins now, it will last for minimum 48 hours but keep checking back.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 03/20/14 at 04:43:31:


It was actually led mostly by Zwiebel.  He had a rather lengthy post focusing on TvK and if you look back to the end of the day, he had four different posts urging people to vote TvK before we ran out of time.

It makes him look suspicious to me.  I mentioned TvK  in a post saying I thought he could be mafia.  When Zwiebel showed up, he really pushed hard for a lynch on TvK using some of the same reasons I gave.  At first it made me think I was on to something with TvK because someone else was agreeing with it, but now it just looks bad.  He targeted someone very heavily on day one that someone else was already suspicious of, and that person ended up being town.

He also called Flo a retard and that was funny.

J-Cop wrote on 03/20/14 at 09:26:46:


You have to be aggressive in this game, you cannot win by just posting thoughts and then looking if people agree and do the work for you, you have to make them see your points to join you(or make you realize that it's not a good idea), even if you are wrong in the end. I was convinced that TvK was the best lynch for the day. As most people said, the D1 lynch is the lynch with the highest chance of failure, I feel bad that TvK was Town, but I had good reasons for my decision to lynch him. I think it's rather people who easily jumped on the wagon that should be on your radar.

Also I just read back a bit more and saw Shock's pretty long analyzis on Silver. It did look super bad what Silver did, but since Silver has a Town lean for me now a strong push like that might just be a try to start an easy D1 lynch.

I thought it would be beneficial to put some analysis and pressure on Silver yesterday for several reasons:

1) I thought there was a good chance he was scum based on what he posted
2) Even if he wasn't scum, the loss wouldn't be much given his then clearly poor playing and apathy
3) Thread activity was low and pressuring Silver would add much-needed content

Based on how he was reacting near the end of yesterday though so close to getting roped, I'm leaning to believing his vanilla townie claim. As mentioned before, everyone wants to avoid getting lynched, but especially those on the scumteam, and they will post as much as they can if they get cornered in a way to paint themselves as town as possible. A good townie will probably accept that it's likely their time is running short and focus more on analyzing game play up to that point and offering their insight while they can. (Kinda like how in a clan war, if someone realizes they're falling way behind and will probably lose, will focus on getting a good item (the lightning/shock, typically) to help their team as much as possible before the race ends.) A maf is selfish and will take up a self-defense and try to get "option 2" lynched instead.

That said, there's this:

DJT wrote on 03/19/14 at 02:41:55:


This confuses me because on one hand, he didn't seem to care to be in such risk, but on the other hand he needed prodding to act to ensure a lynch of some sort or another did happen, and that last bit sounds like a disclaimer, like, once TvK comes up town, don't look at me about it.

Still, I think it more likely now that Silver's just being a wreck of a vanilla townie than maf.

Don't feel like making a giant post, so gonna write another one with thoughts on Blahpy in a minute.

blahpy wrote on 03/17/14 at 22:21:39:


So, he's not completely new to this and probably clearly understands the goal.

blahpy wrote on 03/19/14 at 00:22:52:


If I presume Silver = Vanilla Townie as claimed, this looks even worse than it does on its own. A post being "rather suspicious" is a weak justification for a vote, especially after saying you don't have much to go on. And there's of course the challenging issue about being maf: there's a whole separate level of strategy going on, and it's hard to come up with a "real" analysis when you already know everyone's alignment. From this alone, maf lean.

blahpy wrote on 03/18/14 at 11:21:08:


Literally hopping from one popular vote to another and still haven't contributed anything.

blahpy wrote on 03/18/14 at 15:20:01:


Ok. Still nothing. (Btw, the first quote in here is from page 4 I think, when activity was picking up.)

AFter that page 4 quote, he leaves his vote on Silver and doesn't post again.

Absolutely zero evidence of an effort to get leans/good suspicions on who the maf could be, is relatively quiet while not having much to say of votes on him either, and votes where the rest of the people seem to be placing them.

Vote: Blahpy

Vote: Sportsguy

99% this is mafia. Based on his opening post.

Shock wrote on 03/20/14 at 11:32:07:


No,no,No.

what did I say yesterday? stop seeing everyone as someone you can "throw away". that mentality is not good, and I definetly won't let you lead town with that. (lost too many games with someone with the "throw away" mentality)

I would say give the job of town leader to zwiebel... but...

Sportsguy001 wrote on 03/20/14 at 04:43:31:

???...???!!!???!?!?!??!?!?!?
I don't know why anyone would vote for Flo, AFTER HIS 3RD POST.
It SCREAMED town... It's screaming nothing else but town... and you still think he led a charge that led to TVK's lynch???

It was 4-3 silver, and he tied to Tvk. are you saying that Flo/Silver are scum buddehs. that is impossible, the reason why Flo is town, is also the reason that they can't be scum buddehs.

Also...

J-Cop wrote on 03/20/14 at 09:26:46:




Now, what does all this have to do with Zwiebel not leading town? Simple. Zwiebel is a possible maf partner of sportsguy.

Zwiebel wrote on 03/20/14 at 09:38:44:

You know, Maf can feel these feelings too... and lead lynches on townies.

But other than that, Zwiebel doesnt really have anything going against him.  but it's that connection that I'm afraid of.

Vote: Sportsguy
D1 Idleness, jumping on an "easy vote", Ignoring other possibilities and not reading that FLO'S TOWN... Anything else you want me to add to the pile?

J-cop, since no one's leading the town, and you look really observant, would you like to lead town?

I'm fairly sure I understand what Flo was trying to get at in his exchange with Silver, and it gives me a strong town lean on him. I really don't think it's something he could have just randomly come up with as a weird attempt at a bluff if he were mafia.

On the other hand, I'm not so sure that Silver's inability to answer Flo's request necessarily incriminates him, given that Flo's request was formulated rather awkwardly. Either way, I don't think it's worth pursuing this any further, since trying to pin someone based on the wording of the game host's PMs is a bit "cheap" and defeats the purpose of the game in my eyes.

I don't really have any strong maf leans atm, but I'm willing to go with Shock's vote on blahpy for now since he seems to have a point on the lack of substance in blahpy's posts so far.

Vote: blahpy

Care to share some insight with us, blahpy?

Sportsguy001 wrote on 03/20/14 at 13:32:07:


If Mafia would post like Town then all Mafia games would be a gamble. Obviously they are trying to post like Townies, but they ultimately don't follow the same goal as we do so there is bound to be differences in what the posts are trying to achieve.

What reasons do you have for thinking that Flo is Maf? If I read you right, the only thing you said was that IF Flo is Maf Brett Silver and Blahpy could be Maf too. What's the reason for Flo to be Maf though? He didn't lead the TvK rally, he jumped on it very late when the lynch was probably sealed already. He wasn't even in danger of being lynched. His first 2 posts come off strange and the whole "character name/role name" stuff was dumb but it rather makes him look Town than Mafia in my eyes.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 03/20/14 at 14:23:13:


Oh well I guess I was wrong in my last post about Flo voting when it was sealed already, my bad. Should've reread instead of trying to remember. Anyway, your whole argument only makes sense as long as Silver is Maf. Do you really think that's true?

Zwiebel wrote on 03/20/14 at 14:25:52:


Idk of silver is maf.  I'm just spit-balling.  I have to post something or no one will follow me.  If flo is mafia i look like a genius.  If not another wrong townie.    

I've posted plenty of times that i'm a "vibe" player.  I use my Leroy Jethro Gibbs gut, not sure if anyone knows who he is.