Mario Kart MB - Standards

Nicola Titan Offline MKDS will never die! punched 6910 kiddies Italy Gender:	Standards 02/14/14 at 18:50:58 Say which tracks need standards rewriting in your opinion, and why.
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Reply #1 - 02/14/14 at 19:12:27

The standards are fine, so what a few people got some GODs due to some new strat that's bound to happen when a good player attempts a track. Do we want to make it so all the GODs are impossibly difficult? It looks like to me some mkw standards were not changed when a glitch or new sc was found so i say just keep them

The standards are good enough the way they are now in differentiaing the good from weak(er) times. making them perfect is pretty much an impossible challenge because certain players know more about a track than others, and over the years the game is going to be broken down even more and the gods won't matter. we aren't going to change them then will we?

Plus another thing, everyone cares about GODs a lot, but not about the weaker standards when they're just as important. now i'm not judging but from what i can see this is prob going to be a GODs discussion Roll Eyes

if my opinion is 1- against everyone else though, i say rWP, rDKP, and MW. In MW and WP strat is not optomized, while in DKP, the BKS equal a much better time than the current GOD

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Nicola Titan Offline MKDS will never die! helped 6910 people Italy Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #2 - 02/14/14 at 19:16:14 Thanks for reminding me to point something important out. I want to hear opinions about tracks' standards as a whole. Don't focus on God times only.
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Nicholas Joseph Renzetti III Ex Member	Re: Standards Reply #3 - 02/14/14 at 20:35:38 I think the standards are a little strict on rKC, especially since you need a sub 2:21 just to get beginner. Other than that, they seem fine.
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Marc474R King Offline hit 4533 moles Canada	Re: Standards Reply #4 - 02/14/14 at 21:56:00 DKP god should be nearly a second faster
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Marv King Offline 5114 holabolas Germany Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #5 - 02/15/14 at 02:50:30 Some gods are a bit too easy to reach like rKD, rWP, MW or rDKP. I also think the gaps between standards should be a bit bigger on tracks like rDDJ, rKC or rMT.
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Zepple King Offline rMG4life 4596 days karting France Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #6 - 02/15/14 at 04:45:43 NicholasRen wrote on 02/14/14 at 20:35:38: I think the standards are a little strict on rKC, especially since you need a sub 2:21 just to get beginner. Other than that, they seem fine. I don't see the problem with rKC 2:21 is a really weak time.
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Re: Standards
Reply #7 - 02/15/14 at 04:47:52

Even it was wroten some months ago, seems that my predictions were way accurate:

AdroMaster wrote on 12/14/13 at 10:12:31:

Codes:
Highlighted --> should be changed imo.
Underlined --> could be changed, but are a bit OK imo.
Mentioned only --> good God, but with more improvements could be wrong in a near future imo.
Not mentioned --> perfect standards imo.

-DH: God is worse than the BKSs, even ZCrone could improve them by "1 at least every one.
-SGB: is just in the limit, but the splits are very optimal, so I don't know.
-MP: the same as SGB, but the splits are fucked up here, so I don't know.
-RRM: the same.
-PPS: the same.
-WS: knowing that 10-0-0 will be the best strat, God standard under "1 of the BKSs with 9-1-0 only seems weird.
-NBC: is very improvable yes, but only Jacob all over the world would obtain TC and BKSs give TA, but I don't know.
-MW: 1'26"0 sounds a good God, even 1'25"9. The splits are pretty optimal. ~~1'25"9 imo~~. EDIT: 1'26"0 imo.
-KTB: with Marv's improvements, BKSs and God are the same.
-MC2: the same as NBC.
-WP: is just in the limit, but Alexony could improve easily the BKSs using Bumper boost.
-KD: 1'34"1 seems a good God standard to me.
-DKP: God = 57"6 / BKSs = 57"3xx Smiley

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-MT: just in the limit, but OK for me.
-DDJ: seing that Jacob's third lap could be better, God would be "1under the BKSs. Now is in the limit.
-rRR: just in the limit. Very optimal splits. So I don't know.

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Nicholas Joseph Renzetti III

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Reply #8 - 02/15/14 at 09:52:14

Zepple wrote on 02/15/14 at 04:45:43:

NicholasRen wrote on 02/14/14 at 20:35:38:

I think the standards are a little strict on rKC, especially since you need a sub 2:21 just to get beginner. Other than that, they seem fine.

I don't see the problem with rKC Huh

2:21 is a really weak time.

Well then, I might be using mushrooms in the wrong area. Can you give me some tips? I can't seem to PR here with any self-thought of strats.

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Zepple King Offline rMG4life 4596 days karting France Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #9 - 02/15/14 at 10:12:23 I can't help except: look at WR vid and play a lot to improve
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Reply #10 - 02/15/14 at 10:13:17

NicholasRen wrote on 02/15/14 at 09:52:14:

Zepple wrote on 02/15/14 at 04:45:43:

NicholasRen wrote on 02/14/14 at 20:35:38:

I think the standards are a little strict on rKC, especially since you need a sub 2:21 just to get beginner. Other than that, they seem fine.

I don't see the problem with rKC Huh

2:21 is a really weak time.

Well then, I might be using mushrooms in the wrong area. Can you give me some tips? I can't seem to PR here with any self-thought of strats.

You can learn from this. Smiley

or this :

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Nicholas Joseph Renzetti III

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Reply #11 - 02/15/14 at 19:13:31

Demon wrote on 02/15/14 at 10:13:17:

NicholasRen wrote on 02/15/14 at 09:52:14:

Zepple wrote on 02/15/14 at 04:45:43:

NicholasRen wrote on 02/14/14 at 20:35:38:

I think the standards are a little strict on rKC, especially since you need a sub 2:21 just to get beginner. Other than that, they seem fine.

I don't see the problem with rKC Huh

2:21 is a really weak time.

Well then, I might be using mushrooms in the wrong area. Can you give me some tips? I can't seem to PR here with any self-thought of strats.

You can learn from this. Smiley

or this :

Thanks, but I can't see videos on this forum from my phone for some reason, I'll have to watch the videos later.

Edit- Saw the vids on my computer, then went back on my phone and it decided to work..... weird.

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Yoshistar™ Titan Offline YoshiFace 4865 days karting Netherlands Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #12 - 03/06/14 at 10:18:50 Will be there a written strat page one day? MK64 has plenty of them (and they're funny!) and it's really accurate! I sometimes can't figure out the movements on the vids, but maybe I'm a n00b when it comes to vids
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TvK NinjaTvK Offline punched 5510 kiddies Belgium Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #13 - 03/06/14 at 13:21:33 http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1321991018 Just read through the first couple of pages of this thread. A lot of the easier strats developed in the early days of MK7 are explained here.
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Nicola Titan Offline MKDS will never die! 6910 holabolas Italy Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #14 - 03/09/14 at 09:43:11 I've added a poll, so that we can finally make a decision about this. I invite everybody to vote to give the staff a better view on what to do. I haven't included specific tracks to work on in the poll, because that's something we will discuss if the general consensus is that we should partially rewrite these standards.
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Woni Karter Offline 4068 days karting France Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #15 - 03/09/14 at 11:47:18 The standards are nice but god rWP and rDKP should be rewrite imo.
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Reply #16 - 03/31/14 at 01:16:37

Tonight is the first time ever that I've seen the MK7 site with standards (since I hardly ever go to the MK7 site-- all my PRs were set within the frame of a month, and more than 2 years ago), I figured I'd be around Intermediate level based on my chart standings. I'm surprised I actually got one Expert Cheesy

What immediately got my attention is that the current WR on RMG is only a King B, while we already have a God on RDKP. And yes, I did think the Beginner D was a bit tough on RKC, at least I was able to reach it but there is still an abnormally high number of Newbies on this chart compared to the other charts.

I'm thinking back to when the standards were first introduced on the MKW charts. At first nobody had any Gods. It was big news when somebody hit one. Also only one person was Legend overall (the equivalent of Titan on MK7), so I think Myth/Titan in general might be set about right, the top players still having a lot of room for improvement throughout the game as a whole, and as with MKW it will take a lot of time to master every track and its unique strats before somebody can be Myth overall.

...Well, I guess I can update my GameFAQs message board signature now and tell the world that I officially suck at MK7. Grin

At least I bothered with this game enough to get a full timeset (well, we'll call it a full timeset since this game doesn't even save your flaps)

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Zepple King Offline rMG4life 4596 days karting France Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #17 - 03/31/14 at 02:12:00 rMG WR is actually Myth D (1:33.8), my time is just a shitty site record.
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Re: Standards
Reply #18 - 03/31/14 at 03:17:42

The problem with rKC is that it has many different strats of varying difficulty, but even only caring about not driving terribly you can very easily get past a Newbie time. You can't really make it more similar to the other tracks without having to mess up the standards accuracy, especially at the top.

Unless somebody wants to revise standards, that is. I've been saying this since November.

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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo 5942 days karting Paris / France Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #19 - 03/31/14 at 04:05:23 @Nick, we actually have at least 2 GOD timess (RWP WR has also reached the GOD standard)
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Reply #20 - 03/31/14 at 09:30:32

Harvey Kartel wrote on 03/31/14 at 01:16:37:

I did think the Beginner D was a bit tough on RKC, at least I was able to reach it but there is still an abnormally high number of Newbies on this chart compared to the other charts.

rKC is all about using the right strats, after that under 2:15 is doable for anyone who can drift
if you're more experienced at the game sub 2:10 is very easy

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Martijn Veldhuis Legend Offline 2865 days karting The Netherlands Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #21 - 01/05/18 at 12:03:08 NBC, rMC2, rMG and rBC1
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Trashua King Offline the most trash MK player hit 3176 moles USA Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #22 - 01/05/18 at 15:40:20 Martijn Veldhuis wrote on 01/05/18 at 12:03:08: NBC, rMC2, rMG and rBC1 What about rWP?
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Martijn Veldhuis Legend Offline 2865 days karting The Netherlands Gender:	Re: Standards Reply #23 - 01/05/18 at 22:35:07 Trashua wrote on 01/05/18 at 15:40:20: Martijn Veldhuis wrote on 01/05/18 at 12:03:08: NBC, rMC2, rMG and rBC1 What about rWP? Why shouldn't you be satisfied with Titan B?
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Re: Standards
Reply #24 - 01/06/18 at 04:45:55

Martijn Veldhuis wrote on 01/05/18 at 22:35:07:

Trashua wrote on 01/05/18 at 15:40:20:

Martijn Veldhuis wrote on 01/05/18 at 12:03:08:

NBC, rMC2, rMG and rBC1

What about rWP?

Why shouldn't you be satisfied with Titan B?

I think what he tries to say is that the 2:11.7 GOD standard is too soft now.

Some standards could be rewritten, without going too wild. If it improves our standards and matches them to the modern strats, why not?

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Question: Should we rewrite some of the standards?
Yes 34 (91.8%) No 3 (8.1%) Total votes: 37 « Created by: Nicola on: 03/09/14 at 09:43:11 »