wxyz wrote on 06/18/14 at 14:56:30:


That's false, everyone gets the opportunity to vote via French MB.

Also, shakedown is not 1 token match, it's a series of randomized matches before the match-making algorithm can kick in. I think such a system will work well and feel right for everyone, we just have to try it first. A perfect system doesn't exist anyway, as we're working with such limited time. Each game-mode has to be finished within 1 day (half a day really when we take into account sleeping, breaks and food) with ~30-40 contestants of wildly varying skill levels. These constraints imply that both top players and 'dirty skill deficient beings' alike will have to accept some sort of compromise.

If we had a bigger, more 'professional' player-base we would probably not even be having this discussion; people would simply have to qualify to even participate in the first place (like EVO, Smash Bros tournaments, etc.). In that respect CDM is FAR from elitist.

Ok so is this SB you just showed us part of the same one with the playoff you showed us the other day? Wih the 3 tiers of qualifying round and 20 seeds going through.

I discussed the playoff system with Leyla yesterday and she liked it by the way. Plus got an opinion of a couple of others who said it looks good too. Infact having 20 go through like this is even better than the barrage system. What are the chances this will be used as the playoff system this year? It at least stops players from being knocked out instantly like before with the previous barrage  / top 16.

Top players will play less games with that system, right?

KVD wrote on 06/19/14 at 04:02:12:


Agreed de la Agreed, as they say in France Croydon.

What are the rest saying about this on the French forum? I havent had time to read up.

Firewaster wrote on 06/19/14 at 06:12:09:


This is 100s of times better than doing loser's brackets or separate brackets.

Ideally want to avoid 2012 system aswell where there were blocks of players ending up in mini leagues of 4 with no chance to catch up to the top. Of course cap it at 20 like the above examples.

Clark says can we stop using the word barrage. It's ridiculous.

djo wrote on 06/19/14 at 06:33:37:



Ok add me, Leyla and maybe KVd to the we like it list.

Kartie isnt playing anyway, so that doesnt matter.

Neo:  We will have plenty time, cos we can just get all the lazy people up earlier and stop sleeping in till 2pm. We are not 11 years old anymore.

Narnet:   He will probably balance in favour eventually.

Scoub:   Fair enough

The rest:   Ok wel wait for their thoughts.

KVD wrote on 06/18/14 at 23:26:42:


Where is the vote? I only saw threads where it was being discussed but never saw any vote on it. I have voiced my arguments against it from the first second I was aware, but get the general feeling that because a few of the top players want it that this is what we will get irrespective of what others might say (I could be wrong, but was the general impression I got).

I also really do not like the newly proposed knockout stages as all this does is add an extra layer of insulation between me and the top players, at least in the past I knew that irrespective of how the groups were going to be done that if I scrape into the top16 at least then Id get to play a very top player, but now that wouldn't be the case and there would be 3 more games that I'd have to win to get that privilege.

I think people here need to realise that despite how much people might want SMK championships to be a big event, they never will be. CDM will always be in the 40 players max range, and there will always be big disparities in skill between the players. If you want an elite event where the best players only play the best players then hold an elite event in a smaller venue and don't actively encourage as many people to come as possible as possible. With how all these changes are proposed it just makes me feel that players like me (and those few less able than me) are only really wanted at cdm to make the event viable and not to actually be a part of it anymore.

Just thinking about this really pisses me off a lot so it's the last I'll say on the matter (though I said that a few months ago as well). There is no convincing me that this new system is in the best interests of anyone but a select few elite players so please don't try (and by that I mean please don't direct comments to me, but by all means continue trying to convince others, I wouldn't try to stifle open conversation).

David speak I think especially about the SB

wxyz wrote on 06/19/14 at 09:46:57:
There was some vote but not over all the points presented here!
* vote on the number attended of player : http://www.ffsmk.org/forum/index.php?topic=5723.0
=> with more than 40 players, the classic system start to work badly and time came to try the SB system who works whatever the number of players. So no vote for that I think and if the SB is an evidence for some for others it's more to try it once and for all! However we are not yet up to 40 players and it's the worst situation cause the classic system is not enough long before to clearly dismiss it (17 matches since 33 players and 19 matches since 37 players).  
   
wxyz wrote on 06/19/14 at 09:46:57:
I'm the biggest ambassador of the SB system and not particularly a top player (that's the least you can say). I try with the system to give up to everyone the possibility to play against all the panel of players but maximizing the number of closed matches to have the best quality in the ranking. But we could imagine a "cursor" where you could choose play more matches against the extremes but then at the expense of the ranking ... and then have qualifications more influenced by the draw (like the classic system is for example). But everyone could find satisfaction with the system at any level and you have to try it to appreciate it... or not !

About the last proposition of playoff, it's just a discussion, nothing change until now. We just see some ractions but as Neo said, if the SB come this year maybe it's too hard to introduce another big change!

The only recent vote was about the number of cup in GP finals (who is the longest mode to play). Everyone enough implicated in the CDM could vote (add a commentary with your vote)
http://www.ffsmk.org/forum/index.php?topic=5761.0

Firewaster wrote on 06/19/14 at 10:01:19:
Opposition between people who want the best ranking and other who want just to play for fun against everyone (so why to do a tournament...)

Djo did an excellent summary of the situation. ^^ I consider CDM as a very important competition and I don't like all the "add-ons" to give a 2nd chance, or avoid some debates about group stages' levels.

In a group stage with 16 players, only the 8 best go to the knockout stage. I don't like the possibility for the 9th and the 10th to play an extra-match against the 8th and the 7th, to give them a 2nd chance. It's unfair for the 8th and not deserved for the 9th. There were already 15 matches in the group stage and a few hours of playing to determine which player will be ahead, why adding 1 match to change that ?

Even if we are 60 players during the CDM, I don't see any problem to do 4 groups of 15 players. It's easy to give a rank for each player, to create the groups and not see a huge difference of level between each group. And even is there is some difference, the term "group of death" is here and it's part of the game ! I highly prefer that instead of Djo's system, where you can see someone 0.1 point ahead another one... while they don't even play against the same players !

I'm against the idea to reduce the number of rounds in GP's knockout stage. I consider it's the main category in SMK, and I was already against the fact it's played before BM and MR. Moreover, GP is barely just longer than BM so we can't say GP is "a lot" too long compared with BM. And I don't consider it's necessary to reduce GP to win around 30-45 minutes, especially when it's so easy to win time by starting 1 hour earlier !

I think they're the main reasons of my frustration.

So hopefully no-one else will sign up and we can have 32 players in each mode and stick to the old system (I would gladly sit out BM again to make this happen)  

wxyz wrote on 06/19/14 at 13:50:22:


Watching you play Battle Mode truly is fapping material.