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07/03/13 at 09:27:05
 
THIS POST IS ABOUT THE OVERALL STATE OF THE SITE AND HOW TO IMPROVE IT; IT'D BE APPRECIATED IF EVERYONE READ IT. THANK YOU!

It's been one year and a half since the MK7 PP was started, but I think there are some things that could be implemented to improve the site. Here are a few ideas I have.

1) Standards. I think it's time to finally introduce them to the site. There was great discussion about them many months ago, but nothing was decided in the end. The game has been released one year and a half ago, so it's best to decide what to do with them as soon as possible.
They're a great way to boost activity and make the site more appealing, but at the same time it's impossible to have perfect standards. Timur proposed a standards sheet back then; maybe we could edit it considering the current WRs and best splits and then implement them into the site?

2) News updates. The news updates have been unpredictable since the site launches, with periods of weekly updates followed by many weeks without one. In order to make the news updates more regular, I think we need to introduce one or two new people to the staff. Would anybody be willing to contribute?

3) Rivalries. Rivalries are lots of fun, but our site currently has none. I think I can set some rivalries up and then manage them in the future months. What do you think about it?

Do you have any other ideas? If you have anything to say, please contribute!

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Reply #1 - 07/03/13 at 09:54:22
 
I still think it's too early for standards, look at all the new strats people find these days.
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Reply #2 - 07/03/13 at 10:01:41
 
Marv wrote on 07/03/13 at 09:54:22:
I still think it's too early for standards, look at all the new strats people find these days.


What's important to notice is that few of these new strats actually save a lot of time. New strats usually make people reach higher standards, of course, but it's rarely a leap from, say, Titan B to God.

These new "little" strats are found very often in every other MK, too, so I don't think it's a sufficient reason to avoid having standards. That would mean we would have to fix every standard for every MK site every time any new strat is found.

Even when such a leap happens, anyway, we can just fix the affected track, and keep everything else untouched.
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Reply #3 - 07/03/13 at 10:47:30
 
I agree completely about the Rivalries, I noticed them when I first came here and I'd like to see them added.
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Reply #4 - 07/03/13 at 11:34:32
 
I agree with these three points.
The time has definitely come to introduce standards; MK8 has been announced which means its release is not too far away: let's say the game will be available in the summer of 2014 approximately. After this deadline, activity will most probably suffers a big drop, drop which can actually be softened if we get a lot of players to play until that date.
That gives us a year to boost MK7's activity !

Marv wrote on 07/03/13 at 09:54:22:
I still think it's too early for standards, look at all the new strats people find these days.

Don't forget there will always be new strategies, even five years after a game's release. I think we currently know enough about the game to make relevant standards (I'm not saying they will be perfect). The only things we are still unsure about are hitboxes and karts statistics; but that doesn't seem to make a huge difference. Last but not least, many of the "new strats" you are referring to (glitches excepted) were already known, people just didn't want to use them.
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Reply #5 - 07/03/13 at 12:01:00
 
Like the ideas.

Standards definitely should be added. We know the game well enough now and I don't see the game getting more active than it is now in the future tbh. It's now or never. MK8 will wipe us out most likely.

I've always wanted rivalries and when I saw the thread title I was hoping it'd be mentioned. I'd like to be in one with some close friends too, would be a great thing to add

I could help with news updates, but if so I want maybe 1-2 others to help me so I wouldn't have to do it every single week. I'd be fine with writing them once in a while though.
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Reply #6 - 07/03/13 at 12:41:26
 
If Rookie and another person would want to join the staff that would be great, we would have regular news updates. Anyone else?
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Reply #7 - 07/03/13 at 14:15:57
 
People are retards if they think that it's still too early for standards. I mean, look at my old standards(you can actually look the GODs up on the standards page, they were added but never contributed to ARR yet). NONE of them got accomplished yet even though we found lots of new strats. Most of them would still look reasonable, even if they were pre-standards and still up for change.

We are definately ready for standards.
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Reply #8 - 07/03/13 at 14:52:58
 
I honestly don't care about standards, but they're still not introduced at this game's age, so something is wrong.

People not updating the news just shows pure laziness.  The more weeks this doesn't get updated, the more agonizing it is to update it. Taking this duty and failing at it is a horrible image, so we definitely need more people that will do their part and make the site shine better.
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Reply #9 - 07/03/13 at 15:04:30
 
Nicola wrote on 07/03/13 at 12:41:26:
If Rookie and another person would want to join the staff that would be great, we would have regular news updates. Anyone else?


I can write news updates, but obviously given my current situation I could end up not being able to do so all of a sudden. On the other hand, from september onwards I won't have that problem.
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Reply #10 - 07/03/13 at 15:26:31
 
Add SC charts, everyone plays the ones on MW, WL, DC and BC1.
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Reply #11 - 07/03/13 at 16:20:18
 
40pegh wrote on 07/03/13 at 14:52:58:
People not updating the news just shows pure laziness.  The more weeks this doesn't get updated, the more agonizing it is to update it. Taking this duty and failing at it is a horrible image, so we definitely need more people that will do their part and make the site shine better.


It's not laziness. It's hard when you're the only person in charge of news updates and you are also under exams. I've asked if somebody wanted to become a news updater several times but I never got an answer until today.
I wasn't even a news updater, I stepped up myself when I noticed there was an absolute need of it.

There's no reason to insult me.
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Reply #12 - 07/03/13 at 18:33:11
 
I wasn't trying to insult you.  I'm just explaining the criteria and what people think when they see the last news update was May. This included myself, because how was I supposed to know the back story behind this? 

To me, when someone steps up to a duty, then they better have already thought of a time schedule so that they can do it, which is what I hope these new people are doing.  Even though you had exams, you still stepped up when the other updater's gave up the job (and the game), knowing it was going to be stressful keeping it alive. I commend you greatly, even if you didn't take the role of news updater,  so don't think I'm saying the opposite.  And, it doesn't change the fact that we need new people, which thankfully we finally do.
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Reply #13 - 07/03/13 at 19:53:12
 
Another idea I had would be on everyone's profile to add a category (or just remove other info since its not really used) is to add something called 'Common Mii Name'

Pretty much an indicator of who everyone is if they go by something other than their name in the community
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Reply #14 - 07/03/13 at 23:35:13
 
I agree with everything. We should add standards now, because when MK8 will came out, we all know MK7 will die. So it's the perfect moment I think.
Rivalries are funny and interesting too.
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Reply #15 - 07/04/13 at 04:22:37
 
Rookie wrote on 07/03/13 at 19:53:12:
Another idea I had would be on everyone's profile to add a category (or just remove other info since its not really used) is to add something called 'Common Mii Name'

Pretty much an indicator of who everyone is if they go by something other than their name in the community

Once when I was bored I used the 'other info' bit to do exactly this with a few people I knew. I also spent a while finding out people's nicknames for one of my news updates too Tongue

On that note: Jacob, the lack of news updates does not indicate laziness, although it may seem that way. Writing a single news update takes at least 3 hours, and the first one I wrote took about 8. It's not just laziness, but more lack of motivation and availability of time to be able to put in this amount of work week in week out. News writers for other pages are extremely dedicated to their game and sub-community, and basically we're just unfortunate to not have someone with the same characteristics here. One key thing that would reduce the time to write a news article is a stats page, which MK7 lacks, though I believe at one point Nicola asked Penev on the staff's behalf to make one, but I don't know what happened concerning that.
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40pegh wrote on 07/03/13 at 18:33:11:
I wasn't trying to insult you.  I'm just explaining the criteria and what people think when they see the last news update was May. This included myself, because how was I supposed to know the back story behind this? 

To me, when someone steps up to a duty, then they better have already thought of a time schedule so that they can do it, which is what I hope these new people are doing.  Even though you had exams, you still stepped up when the other updater's gave up the job (and the game), knowing it was going to be stressful keeping it alive. I commend you greatly, even if you didn't take the role of news updater,  so don't think I'm saying the opposite.  And, it doesn't change the fact that we need new people, which thankfully we finally do.


I'm sorry, Jacob. I've overreacted.
When I stepped up I knew I was going to be very busy in a short time, so that's why I asked for new people to contribute to the site. Fortunately there have been some answers now, so we can start working on this issue.
The other staff members have done a great job, but they're all pretty much busy nowadays, and it's also very hard to being able to focus and take enough time for writing regular news updates when you have to study and work. This is why I think we need new forces.
Again, sorry for my post.

@Rookie: I like this idea. I think we can as well start using it.

I think standards are necessary also because MK8 is going to come out in a year. It's obvious that there will be less activity when the new game is released.

I also agree with adding SC charts.
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Nosey wrote on 07/04/13 at 04:22:37:
Rookie wrote on 07/03/13 at 19:53:12:
Another idea I had would be on everyone's profile to add a category (or just remove other info since its not really used) is to add something called 'Common Mii Name'

Pretty much an indicator of who everyone is if they go by something other than their name in the community

Once when I was bored I used the 'other info' bit to do exactly this with a few people I knew. I also spent a while finding out people's nicknames for one of my news updates too Tongue

On that note: Jacob, the lack of news updates does not indicate laziness, although it may seem that way. Writing a single news update takes at least 3 hours, and the first one I wrote took about 8. It's not just laziness, but more lack of motivation and availability of time to be able to put in this amount of work week in week out. News writers for other pages are extremely dedicated to their game and sub-community, and basically we're just unfortunate to not have someone with the same characteristics here. One key thing that would reduce the time to write a news article is a stats page, which MK7 lacks, though I believe at one point Nicola asked Penev on the staff's behalf to make one, but I don't know what happened concerning that.


When I revived the strong/weak WR discussion thread, it took me 3 hours to gather all my thoughts about 32 tracks (and the 7 glitched ones) and make a final conclusion, and then type it all into words.  I think I could update the news in, at most, 2 hours, especially if the last update was recent.  Also, I see so many unnecessary words added in when they shouldn't, which is probably why it takes so many people a ridiculous amount of time.  

For example, "The first active player is the Champion, #1 Adrian Dorado. Adro improved many times to defend himself from the assaults of #2 Alejandro Muhsen, who sent in six new times to cut 0.4 AF points. Adro drove five times and cut 0.3 points, less than Alexony, but it was enough to stay in front of him."  This is very long already.  How about:  #1 Adrian Dorado drove five times and cut 0.3 AF, enough to stay ahead of #2 Alejandro Muhsen, who sent 6 times to cut 0.4   And really, once you get to the players that aren't top 10, you should just list the player's name, position, AF cut, and how many PR's they sent. Aka, get rid of complete sentences.

An update could probably get done in 1 hour (and that's without a stats page) by focusing your mind to making everything as short as possible.  I don't see why the news update has to be written professionally, unless for some reason it's required.  All I want to see when I look at a news update is basic information about all the improvements that happened.

Also, I hate this lack of motivation excuse.  Lee and Danny did it perfectly from August 2012 till both of them gave up the game and therefore lost interest.  There's no reason that a group of 2-4 people can't do this.  Both Danny and Lee did it knowing they had to do it, no matter how busy their lives were.  And most importantly, I think both of them enjoyed updating the news, so there actually was motivation.

Btw, the more people take the role of news updater, the less stress that is upon all the writers.  Lee and Danny still did it perfectly even when it just the 2 of them, but could you imagine 10 people?  That means an individual gets to update five times a year.  Hmm, not that hard anymore is it?  Plus, the more people, the more backups there are in case one of the writers is too busy and can't update.  It's too bad hardly anyone steps up to becoming a news writer Undecided
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Reply #18 - 07/04/13 at 12:32:28
 
You have to update for absolutely everyone though, it takes more time than I think you realize....
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Rookie wrote on 07/04/13 at 12:32:28:
You have to update for absolutely everyone though, it takes more time than I think you realize....


Updating after an almost 2 month hiatus, probably is going to take forever.  Updating a week after the last update, no, that doesn't take long, especially for someone that can type fast. I'm pretty sure every single person isn't improving every single week.
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Reply #20 - 07/04/13 at 12:40:18
 
The news is as long as it is because it has to be interesting. What you suggested is correct, but then the news's only purpose would be to list the AF cuts. It would be quite boring and useless, considering you can see the cuts yourself by checking the AF charts. It's way more interesting and ertentaining to read well-written articles, and it also gives a better feeling to the site. Read Etch's and Kmacc's MKDS news updates to check it out yourself.

My question is whether there are many people interested in reading news about the charts movements.
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Nicola wrote on 07/04/13 at 12:40:18:
The news is as long as it is because it has to be interesting.


That's pretty much the reason I expected for making the news longer.  It's an understandable reason, and I'm just trying to suggest ideas that could make updating less of a pain.  Even if the news went by my idea, you would still fulfill the job of updating the news, and I'd rather take a bland and unprofessional update than nothing.  Right now, I of course know why we haven't been getting any updates, but in the future when our new news writers can't find enough time, maybe they can go with my suggestions.

That is an interesting question.  It could be seen as pointless to some people by listing chart movements, but at the same time listing all the movements would make the news feel more complete.
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Reply #22 - 07/04/13 at 13:07:39
 
I think that's a nice approach to take when there's lack of avalaible updaters, too...
It depends on inspiration too, I guess.

Btw, what about making the next news a collaborative effort? Divide it into 3-4 parts each written by a different person.
I'm starting the news this night or tomorrow, btw.
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Nicola wrote on 07/04/13 at 13:07:39:
Btw, what about making the next news a collaborative effort? Divide it into 3-4 parts each written by a


That's what we should be doing in the first place.  It goes with the, "more people = less stress," that I stated before, ensuring that the news is beautifully done without the cost of so many hours brought upon one individual.
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Reply #24 - 07/04/13 at 15:47:11
 
Alright, who wants to help writing this news update?
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