Well, they say that, but we really have to wait and see which vehicle combo is pretty good for certain courses.

iirc they said

turn: kart < bike
straight: kart > bike

in the end maybe they're the same shit anyway

Not necessarily, there are a few, rare, instances where another kart other than the fastest one is used to set WRs. It's still too early to know how MK8 will work like in detail, though.

this is the same shit as Mushroom tires on MK7, there are barely any tracks where they’re actually faster

bikes could be decent if they had inward drift, but in all the videos I’ve seen they’re all outwards

stelzig wrote on 05/03/14 at 06:24:59:


The Spear still isn't used on most tracks as far as I know

stelzig wrote on 05/03/14 at 06:24:59:

why are you comparing karts vs bikes to Spear vs BB/Mach? have you watched the vids? the difference is nowhere near as evident as in MKW, which means karts will have 80% of the WRs

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/03/14 at 06:42:28:

I believe the reason he made the statement is because of what you previously said;

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/03/14 at 01:53:31:

Which, in the case of MKWii, is not true.
The best vehicle is Spear, but due to poor drift it cannot compete on a lot of the tracks.
Unless you meant something else entirely and it got misinterpreted...
In which case you may want to rephrase your statement about turning not being relevant, as it confused me also.

I think it is too early to start making judgements like this

If the speed increase is minimal, then bikes will still most likely be very viable

You never know Nintendo... karts may lose time to bikes in a drift (the base speed is lowered) which could affect a lot of things on tracks with multiple turns (looking at you, SNES Donut Plains 3)

Also do not forget that bikes can also get orange miniturbo now.
Whether it can charge them as fast is another matter entirely, but may influence the outcome.

I'd love to see a 50/50 spread of karts and bikes, it makes the game deeper since you'll have to learn both types, as opposed to how karts were completely pointless to even pick up in Wii

Alaktorn: I don't watch vids that many vids. I just go by statements and you said turning barely ever meant anything so I pointed out that it did in mkw. You can't just go back and say "well from what i've seen in vids of the supposedly best kart turning shouldn't matter".  

Edit: I also don't see how a miniturbo stat makes any difference (and I think it's in bowser bikes favour right? So less pronounced). Essentially that stat is just an extra speed stat which in reality makes bowser bike a little faster, but still slower... If it is in spears favour (I seriously don't remember) then I still don't see the argument for anything at all in that point...

Here are the stats bonus for most of the vehicles + for some characters : http://www.mariokartwii.com/f105/some-new-character-part-stats-136366.html#po...

Interestingly enough, only some karts have a speed stat bonus. Bikes and ATV have no bonus (and a negative bonus for one of them). On the other hand, bikes have better handling in general, with the  "inward-drifting" bikes having the best known bonus out of all vehicles.

A 0.5 difference sounds significant enough to give the upper hand to the karts in the majority of the tracks (for reference it's like a weight class difference in MK7). Bikes may find niches for the more complex tracks though.

There is still a big unknown about the actual revelancy of the "grip" stat that could sway the balance even more towards the karts. Is it the equivalent of off-road stat (which comparison with parts taken from MK7 would suggest) or something else ? Maybe related to anti-grav ?

Mick wrote on 05/04/14 at 10:37:33:

As I suspected, karts are a little faster in general, with bikes having more handling.

As for the ATVs, they seem to be all over the place, however the Standard seems the most useful, although it has the same stats as the Badwagon kart. These aren't all the parts in the game. I assume there is a speed ATV in the mix that we don't know.

I should note, if you haven't noticed already, many parts have identical stats to one another, including: all karts with speed, all inside-drift bikes, I would assume tires with counterparts like Monsters/Hot Monsters, and gliders of course. I assume this is to encourage variety if there were to be an overused combo.

As for grip, I find it to be a more generalized term for off-road. I suppose they changed it due to the addition of anti-gravity. A Dutch preview stated it was like "off-road" or something along those lines. And yes, generally, it seems Monsters and Wood give grip, like they do in MK7 for off-road, so I just figured they're similar.

^wow, that inward drifting looks fucking lame… wide to start and then suddenly goes tight

and wow, falling off track doesn’t even remove the triple shells shield

Hopefully snaking doesn't jinx everything up

ALAKTORN wrote on 05/03/14 at 05:54:26:

according to players who have played the demo a shitload amount, they say it starts out in an outward then goes inward
edit lol nvm you saw what i meant