hahaae wrote on 06/02/13 at 15:16:13:


If it's that simple I suggest you do it.
Which are the other WR history sites you keep referring to? If you're talking about the MKWii and MK7 versions that Cole did, no wonder those data were accessible. The accessibility of information is something that has been revolutionized in the past decade. The onset of SMK competition was before the emergence of internet even, therefore data from that era is more difficult to retrieve, something that is made harder with an increasing time-gap also.
I have no doubt old magazines can be dug up somewhere, but I also think it will be quite a bit harder than you seem to think with phrases like 'simple' and 'just like other WR History sites', which does not exactly portray an accurate sense of reality.

That said, if anyone does find snippets in old magazines with sufficient detail, I will gladly add those to the database.  

Ben_Allen wrote on 06/03/13 at 05:35:41:


Yes please Ben, i remember we talked about the old F-Zero stuff a few years back so it may be a good place to start. If anything theyl have some things. Would love to get hold of some of these magazines, would be awesome to see.

add my CI2 non-nbt WR aight

Well, the other MK histories all deal with games where ties are really, really rare, due to chronos being accurate up to thousands of a second. In SMK the resolution is 0"02, as a result ties would be a lot more dominant, with even triple and quadruple ties not being very rare. I think adding them would greatly clutter up the site and because there are so many, would also create a lot of work.

We could do a poll, but in principle I won't be the one looking them up. Though I would add them (albeit reluctantly  ) if that's the result of the poll and someone else does the actual tie history tracing (collection of data).  

Site doesn't work

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OK thanks, I hadn't see the info.

new site: mkwrs.com/smk
need to update the firts post  

Is there an updater for just SMK? The most recent WRs haven't been added; there aren't many but I think it would be a good idea to secure an updater for SMK who will be able to and remember to add new WRs in a timely manner. Maybe they would just send the times to Cole (or whoever), in which case anyone could do the job. I'd be willing to do that myself if that's the best thing to do. Here are the records that need to be added, and I can't find the exact dates of Ha's VL2 times because of the dumb new yahoogroups layout.

MC1 58"24 by Sami on August 19
VL2 46"41 by Ha Nyan, done the last week of August
VL2 46"38 by Ha Nyan, done the second week of September
MC1 58"12 by Sami on September 27th
MC1 58"06 by Sami on September 29th

Sami also hit nice wrs of 58"10 and 58"20, but never actually submitted them. I only saw them on the top 5s of his recent MC1 vids, so I don't know if we really need to include those.


Also, I would like to hear everybody's opinion on marking records as NBT or not, and maybe even incorporating non-NBT WR evolution pages. It would take a good amount of work (which I'd be willing to do), and could also make the site more confusing by adding more links and pages. But at the same time it lets us compare the early 2000s WRs (which were all non-NBT) to the current non-NBT WRs to see how good the ancient WRs were. The way the charts are now, it's hard to know exactly how good the WRs were back then.

So what do you guys think about that idea? As I said I'd be willing to get the raw data, but I'd like to be sure the community wants to add it before I spend time finding all the WRs. Time that could be spent continually failing the GV1 platform jump.

It's no problem to keep the WRs up to date, I've been slacking a bit lately, but I have fixed updating points. If the frequency needs to be increased that's fine also, it's just a matter of 5 mins of work.  

Sorting the Non-NBT is a lot more work and I think that is a very good idea. If you do the work of sorting that out (I'd contact Pierre for that too, he already started accumulating data if I remember correctly), then I am sure it could be added. Also ask Cole for that though, as he is the one that controls what the database structure is like and the website as a whole.  

My policy thus far is to include any WR that is 'documented' in a sufficient manner.

The videos of Sami clearly show that there were intermediate WRs...even if they were WRs for 2 minutes, there was a time that they were WRs. I think I ought to include these, but only in the case that  the times & date are known, which was the case in this particular example.

But feel free to discuss and disagree. I'll keep an open mind on it.

In that huge swing in WRs, I know for a fact that Karel, Chris Balch, Guilherme, and I would mention our new times on MSN but wouldn't submit them until the end of the week when we knew we wouldn't be playing anymore before the update. So in that case, I would opt for the "documented" aspect of WR counts, because had anyone known about this current discussion, I'm sure more people would have officially submitted their new WRs every single time instead of just holding back for their finished product of the week.

I think we all were on the same page back then about it, too. It didn't make any sense to send a yahoogroups message for a .01 improvement when you knew you'd be beating that before the update anyway.

Okay, here's a starting point. This is the breaking point between a Non-NBT and a NBT WR for all 40 tracks in NTSC.

MC1 5-lap: 59"59 --> 58"69
MC1 F-lap: 11"77 --> 11"48
DP1 5-lap: 1'15"16 --> 1'14"94
DP1 F-lap: 14"80 --> 14"72
GV1 5-lap: 1'00"65 --> 1'00"46
GV1 F-lap: 11"99 --> 11"98
BC1 5-lap: 1'26"70 --> 1'26"68
BC1 F-lap: 17"18 --> 17"11
MC2 5-lap: 1'13"85 --> 1'10"10
MC2 F-lap: 14"31 --> 13"33
CI1 5-lap: 57"15 --> 56"57
CI1 F-lap: 11"29 --> 11"21
GV2 5-lap: 1'00"34 --> 59"94 THEN it becomes Non-NBT again from 59"71 through 58"84 and back to NBT at 58"73
GV2 F-lap: 11"52 --> 11"51
DP2 5-lap: 1'24"87 --> 1'24"59
DP2 F-lap: 16"77 --> 16"75
BC2 5-lap: 1'39"30 --> 1'39"18
BC2 F-lap: 19"61 --> 19"59
MC3 5-lap: 1'29"73 --> 1'28"57
MC3 F-lap: 17"79 --> 17"71
KB1 5-lap: 48"55 --> 47"70
KB1 F-lap: 9"36 --> 9"33
CI2 5-lap: 1'06"73 --> 1'05"91
CI2 F-lap: 13"02 --> 12"87
VL1 5-lap: 48"83 --> 48"23
VL1 F-lap: 9"55 --> 9"50
BC3 5-lap: 1'28"27 --> 1'28"14
BC3 F-lap: 17"41 --> 17"38
MC4 5-lap: 1'37"50 --> 1'36"06
MC4 F-lap: 19"22 --> 18"64
DP3 5-lap: 1'17"53 --> 1'16"90
DP3 F-lap: 15"41 --> 15"37
KB2 5-lap: 58"58 --> 57"15
KB2 F-lap: 11"22 --> 10"69
GV3 5-lap: 1'12"87 --> 1'12"79
GV3 F-lap: 14"44 --> 14"41
VL2 5-lap: I'm guessing Sami's and Ha's 2013 WR's are still Non-NBT. Can anyone confirm?
VL2 F-lap: Still Non-NBT
RR 5-lap: 1'24"75 --> 1'24"62
RR F-lap: 16"83 --> 16"74

I'm very positive about all of these. The left chrono and every WR before were Non-NBT and the right chrono and every WR after were NBT. The only exception is GV2 5-lap where Chris Balch reclaimed a WR in Non-NBT fashion after Joe had set a NBT WR. A similar list for PAL could be deduced from Pierre's historical WR pages in the extra section of the Non-NBT site but right now his site is unavailable.

Yay Simon!