My opinion is that if a WR is documented and legit it should get the proper recognition for it on the site.
If it's changed and the site is about documenting Players' Page Records and World Records separately then that needs be made clear and stay consistent on the site (and on all the other MK WR History sites too probably).
Personally that feels perhaps a bit unnecessary and over-complicated.

We'd still need a name though. Historic records might show that the Greeks had the spear throwing WR at 10 BC, but without a name theyre not about to be added to the official evolution of the spearthrowing WR.

hahaae wrote on 06/01/13 at 16:47:29:


Exactly. then when they look at all the recent 15 year's records there are names attached. So whatever happens it won't interfere and nice to have some extra history.

KVD wrote on 06/02/13 at 06:30:22:


Yes definitely outside of the database, just make a separate link to "other old records prior to smk site"

And if we find any other old books and magazines containing material that is legit enough then we can post it.

Photo can be arranged of the mention in the magazine, I just have to dig it out and scan it in. Might be worth adding in the tester time from the Japanese guide also from the year before that.


Edit: Here you go, it was an article a guy in the UK who was playing on an import SFC wrote in February 1993 which was printed in the March issue of that year (Super Play Magazine) in the UK. Their response then confirmed the latest Japanese record of the time, and you can see their scanned the 59"92 with Japanese writing from another Japanese magazine. One piece of info we do have was that it was driven with Bowser. They mentioned this record again a few times in other mags, and I might have seen one that later they got down to 59"84. It was listed in text writing that time, not the image scan from the Jap mag, and if this was driven by the same guy again I don't know.

In any case, please use this one for that side page of "historical non smk site World Records". Id say the date could be March 1993 then, and unknown driver. I have a feeling it might have been a Japanese tester going at it forever. If not then some guy in his home like us who had figured out how to play really well early on.





Therefore please document this somewhere in the site wherever suitable. Add the image if you like I think its good to show for historical purposes.

Harvey Kartel wrote on 06/02/13 at 11:08:13:


Harvey,

No not in this article, but there were several other articles in the later months where uk guys complained that their records on pal were so much slower. The magazine writers explained then the difference between the systems. Only those who had imported SFC could try to challenge it, otherwise theey had some regular players who were doing stuff between 1:04 - 1:07 level on mc1 pal. Casual good level maybe. This particular guy writing to them played on NTSC though

Id say the record was Non-NBT judging by the driving desciptions written by the Japanese testers in the guides the year before, They had the non-nbt strategy down. At some time later in the 90s and into early 2000s they NBTed and got down to 58" then 57".

Yeah I suppose you do have a point there, but in reality there are probably a lot more times that should not be there, but there's no way to tell. So where to draw the line in the sand?
My idea was drawing the line at documentation...if there is sufficient metadata (incl. proof of course) known of a candidate WR, then it gets the green light. But if we don't even have a name, it just goes in the bin.

Nice print though Sami, I wonder if some collectors from Japan could be contacted to get a more accurate picture of the WR development in the 90s there. Maybe Ha Nyan would be our best lead for such an investigation?  

The magazine article also advises players to let go of the accelerator to avoid skidding around corners, like a noob does. No wonder people had trouble even getting under 1'04". Even Anna could've schooled these boys...

Can someone explain Guillaume B's history to me? I'm kinda confused over it. I know that he has some SMK nonNBT TASes on YouTube.

hahaae wrote on 06/02/13 at 16:08:34:

Pierre L'Hoëst is the most reliable source for this, I think. I'm gonna ask him to answer there.

Yes, as far as I know he moved to Canada and asked to be listed as a player from this country.

Guillaume B. was one of the most talented players in the French magazine Nintendo Player. He wasn't only good at SMK, but on many games too, so he was a guy I admired a lot.

I was happy when he registered on Players' Site (in 2006 I think) cos I knew he could do some damages. Unfortunately he didn't play a lot, but enough to take some French records, and even a WR (VL1 flap) !

Then he did a comeback in 2007 where he got multiple non-NBT WRs, totally unreachable for humans, in only 1-2 weeks. For a few days I trusted him, due to his overall records on Nintendo Player and the respect I had for him. But finally I had to think his WRs couldn't be real, and were inevitably TAS'd. Guillaume didn't admit immediately he TAS'd, and btw, he never admitted it publicly. He just said to another French player it was a joke, but that's all.

After that, he continued TASes for a few months and uploaded his vids on Youtube, but he never played SMK since this story.

Harvey Kartel wrote on 06/02/13 at 17:44:32:


I wouldn't be surprised.

The magazines said back then... that this track was announced as the official track for Time Trial Competition in Japan. So MR SC was huge and testers were playing it to bits. It was the next MC1 for them.