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Reply #225 - 10/17/17 at 01:46:04
 
Exactly.
But specifically for GV1 NTSC, did we have any WR ties in the 11"70s? I'm asking because Fungos document is inaccessible again. Ideally of course the 11"65 would be tied (or beaten  Smiley), but I have fallen waaay short everytime I tried.

EDIT: never mind, there were no NTSC GV1 flap ties.  Embarrassed I just checked Lafungos doc by actually clicking on the correct link he provided afterwards.
Then the easiest fix for this would be finding the 11"71 video, eventhough it's crap quality. I'll search on my old HD tonight. Who knows.
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Reply #226 - 10/17/17 at 05:02:06
 
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Reply #227 - 10/17/17 at 06:13:50
 
Hahahahaha, that video seriously burns my retina.  Lips Sealed But thanks!  Smiley
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Reply #228 - 10/17/17 at 06:22:56
 
Nice work Lafungo! Now we finally know what it is that you've been doing instead of MKSC updates Wink
But seriously, the dedication to complete this as fully as you have is commendable.
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Reply #229 - 12/05/17 at 13:42:18
 
Evening guys,

You may have seen lately that the videos Summoning Salt has made on the world record progression of games has generated a lot of interest for those platforms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAkY7RfajY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWkYqyOgetg

Since I've been part of the Karting TT community I've seen the great efforts everyone has made to getting WR progression histories documented. I've spoken with Sami, Mike Koehoorn, Cole, Shock and few others today and there seems to be an interest into maybe making one of our own WR progression videos for some of the most popular tracks.

Mike is looking into Baby Park on MKDD, Cole for LC on the Wii, and I'm interested in gathering some information on the history of the MC1 WR progression. I want to try and help make a single video that could complement the content that is on the MKWR site for MC1, and with what's in the forum threads.

Sami has given me some good pointers to look at already for compiling the MC1 content, and I wondered if anyone else might be interested in contributing to this.

If you have discord too, please message me on YorkshireSMK#0291 and I can add you into the groups currently discussing this.

Cheers,

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Reply #230 - 12/06/17 at 01:40:25
 
YorkshireSMK wrote on 12/05/17 at 13:42:18:
Evening guys,

You may have seen lately that the videos Summoning Salt has made on the world record progression of games has generated a lot of interest for those platforms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAkY7RfajY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWkYqyOgetg

Since I've been part of the Karting TT community I've seen the great efforts everyone has made to getting WR progression histories documented. I've spoken with Sami, Mike Koehoorn, Cole, Shock and few others today and there seems to be an interest into maybe making one of our own WR progression videos for some of the most popular tracks.

Mike is looking into Baby Park on MKDD, Cole for LC on the Wii, and I'm interested in gathering some information on the history of the MC1 WR progression. I want to try and help make a single video that could complement the content that is on the MKWR site for MC1, and with what's in the forum threads.

Sami has given me some good pointers to look at already for compiling the MC1 content, and I wondered if anyone else might be interested in contributing to this.

If you have discord too, please message me on YorkshireSMK#0291 and I can add you into the groups currently discussing this.

Cheers,

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Thanks for the telephone conversation Christopher, I will certainly help to provide what is needed. There are World Records going back before the creation of some of the sites including NTSC Japanese NBT records from the 1990s on MC1 not listed on mkwrs.com (course records only though, not really any additional fastlap information). As discussed I have been doing some more research recently on this; so hopefully soon I can help to gather the information that is possible and we can update that too. Otherwise for PAL at least we have a very complete list from 1999 onwards with lots of stories as we discovered the techniques and refined them. Each site will want to definitely make sure they get the correct World Records through the years; on the newer Mario Karts for example there are site records, but some faster World Records on mkwrs.com, so it will be best to check there and speak to the players of each game.

Please let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks.
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Reply #231 - 12/07/17 at 04:43:08
 
Hadn't seen this post. Guess this is the Chris who just got in touch with me! As previously said I'll give you the detailed answers you're looking for by the end of the week through an email answer. Wink
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Reply #232 - 12/07/17 at 10:39:41
 
Some old stuff by Sami Cetin  Cheesy Cheesy

http://samicetin.smkvideos.pagesperso-orange.fr/

14 years ago...


Found also an old video from Karel : 11"58 WR at MC1 Smiley

Also an old WR for CI1 dunno if it's 11"58 or 11"66
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Reply #233 - 12/07/17 at 10:49:56
 
If you need old videos, maybe I can find some of them. I guess it's the only contribution I can bring.
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Reply #234 - 12/07/17 at 10:59:33
 
Please do.
Can't find my old 11"9x and 11"7x Sad

EDIT : found a 59"36 WR by Karel on MC1 from 2005  Wink
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Reply #236 - 12/07/17 at 11:37:01
 
Back when SMK came out in the UK, I had a friend called Jamie who claimed he "had the fastest MC1 time in the world". So you can put him down for the WR in 1993-4 for sure.
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Reply #237 - 12/08/17 at 02:02:08
 
@ScouB, SeB and KartSeven...do you think there is any chance to recover the symbolical one minute barrier breaker on MC1 PAL? I looked at my old HDs, but I could only find videos from like 2009 onwards.

The older ones, if not online somewhere, are simply lost. Now I'm kicking myself for not having the foresight to preserve SMK history.  Undecided
I recall the video being hosted on the Dutch SMK vids page (as linked by ScouB earlier). https://web.archive.org/web/20060203115425/http://membres.lycos.fr:80/scoubsm...

But in the process of the WR being lowered, the 5-lap video got replaced (for webspace reasons) to eventually end up at 59"36. http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1097862432
Any chance the 59''99 can be recovered by rewinding the waybackmachine? Or perhaps on one of your old HDs? Would be a shame if it was lost forever.  Embarrassed
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Reply #238 - 12/08/17 at 02:16:54
 
I've also added the vids from these pages to the WR history website.

There was even a video from a WR driven in 2000! Sami's VL2 (which is annotated as 52"96, but is actually a 52"97)!  Cool
After having a quick scan I think it's currently the oldest WR vid we have on SMK, but could it be the oldest WR video on the page altogether?

EDIT: never mind, I already saw a vid from 1999 (Zwartjes' legendary LR 3-lap from MK64).  Shocked
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Reply #239 - 12/08/17 at 02:55:29
 
I kinda miss all those personal pages we all had pre YouTube for our MK vids. Iirc, Chris Balchs was qualitay.
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Reply #240 - 12/08/17 at 04:18:17
 
Timeofdeath.net

Even the url kicked ass, but sadly it no longer exists (in that form).
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Reply #241 - 12/08/17 at 06:34:18
 
KVD wrote on 12/08/17 at 02:16:54:
EDIT: never mind, I already saw a vid from 1999 (Zwartjes' legendary LR 3-lap from MK64).  Shocked


If only there was a vid for the time he 'got' in 2003.
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Reply #242 - 12/08/17 at 06:41:21
 
I agree that it's a shame that there was no video, but the claim itself is very likely legit. I say this because Patrick saw the time on his cartridge back in the day, they were good friends from the 90s era with all the Nintendo championships. It's still a hearsay type of evidence obviously, but Patrick has almost savant like memory so I tend to trust his observations.
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Reply #243 - 12/08/17 at 06:58:08
 
Times on cartridge mean very little, especially for someone who formally had the LR 3lap SC wr. Easy to put whatever 'non-sc' 3lap time you want on your cartridge. If Patrick had said he had seen it driven I'd believe it 100% as I trust Patrick in such things, but seeing a time on a cartridge is no proof. But anyway, no point rehashing this as there is nothing definitive either way.
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Reply #244 - 12/08/17 at 07:23:56
 
Agreed that the cartridge observation itself does not constitute solid evidence, obviously. And you're right, we'll likely never have that either way.

But another reason for why I believe it's not a fake is that it doesn't fit the profile at all.
Steven Zwartjes has won everything that there is to win in gaming under the sun and more. Official Nintendo Championships, GoldenEye tournaments, you name it. No cheating possible with those for obvious reasons (live tournos). He had also gotten countless World Records in prior years, always with video proof when required. How much sense does it make for someone like that to suddenly turn a leaf and start cheating? Especially because he's obviously very talented (could pretty much get WRs on a whim) and already had so much stature in videogaming competition. I just don't see where his motivation to cheat would come from.
Perhaps SZ's biggest 'skill' was the ability to find new (micro) strats better and faster than almost anyone else. Since this particular WR was achieved with the so called mystery boost, to me it's very feasible that he just got the edge on the competition by finding this (like he had so many times in the past for other WRs), but perhaps he just didn't feel like spilling the beans on how he did it for once.

So yeah no evidence either way, but circumstancial evidence to back up the cheating story is much more slim in my eyes.
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Reply #245 - 12/08/17 at 07:47:21
 
I don't know this Steven Zwartjes but from Karel's description he seems like the exact opposite of TF  Grin
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Reply #246 - 12/11/17 at 03:10:50
 
www.mkwrs.com/smk/longestlasting.php
4000 days! That's the first (documented) Mario Kart WR that cracks the 4k mark*. The longer this WR is standing, the more upset I am getting that there was no video recorded (we were between PCs at my parents' place after a HD crash). One day I will at least have to tie it. Having said that, I have already tried it many times and didn't even get into 11"6x anymore on any of those.  Smiley

*I should specify that there are some Non-NBT WRs that are FAR older. But that competition has (unfortunately) grinded to a more or less complete halt in the previous decade or so.
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Reply #247 - 12/11/17 at 11:06:56
 
Congrats and nice to see you still here after all this time
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Reply #248 - 12/11/17 at 12:06:52
 
Awesome stuff Karel and great work on the site from everyone.
4 days short of 10 years on the CI1 time

I would suggest on the long lasting wr page that you put the "ending date" instead of the "WR?" column, if it is the current wr you could leave it blank or put the current date

Also and surely much more difficult, it would be great to somewhat combine the activity stat and WR snapshot to be able to view areas of high activity
- even an easy shortcut to the next day or next wr achieved could help
- maybe highlight a wr achieved that day also (i see the <1 duration)
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Reply #249 - 12/12/17 at 03:05:22
 
KVD wrote on 12/11/17 at 03:10:50:
4000 days! That's the first (documented) Mario Kart WR that cracks the 4k mark*. The longer this WR is standing, the more upset I am getting that there was no video recorded (we were between PCs at my parents' place after a HD crash

Would be one of the greatest achievements there if this WR was not fake! Angry
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