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Optimal Combos For Every Track
03/01/13 at 00:11:30
 
TC: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
DH: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
CCL: Bowser - Egg1 - Slick - Beast Glider
SGB: Bowser - Bruiser - Monster - Beast Glider
WL: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
WL (Glitch): Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
MC: Bowser - B Dasher - Monster - Beast Glider
MP: Bowser - B Dasher - Mushroom - Beast Glider
RRM: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
PPS: Bowser - Blue 7 - Slick - Beast Glider
WS: Peach - Egg 1 - Wood - Beast Glider
NBC: Bowser - Koopa Clown - Monster - Beast Glider
NBC (Glitch): Luigi - Koopa Clown - Monster - Beast Glider
MW: Bowser - Blue 7 - Slick - Beast Glider
MW (Glitch): Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
DKJ: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
DKJ (Glitch): Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
RIW: Bowser - Bruiser - Monster - Beast Glider
BC: Bowser - Blue 7 - Slick - Beast Glider
RR: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
RLR: Bowser - Bruiser - Monster - Beast Glider
RBC1: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
RBC1 (Glitch): Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
RMG: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
RLM: Bowser - Zucchini - Monster - Beast Glider
RKTB: Bowser - Blue 7 - Slick - Beast Glider
RMC2: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
RCM: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
RWP: Bowser - B Dasher - Mushroom - Beast Glider
RKD: Bowser - Bruiser - Monster - Beast Glider
RDKP: Bowser - Bruiser - Monster - Beast Glider
RDC: Bowser - Blue 7 - Slick - Beast Glider
RDC (Glitch): Lakitu - Koopa Clown - Slick - Beast Glider
RMT: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
RKC: Bowser - Blue 7 - Monster - Beast Glider
RDDJ: Bowser - Zucchini - Slick - Beast Glider
RAF: Bowser - B Dasher - Mushroom - Beast Glider
RRR: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider
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Reply #1 - 03/01/13 at 00:51:20
 
According to Sir Michael Tunzi Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - 03/01/13 at 02:06:59
 
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:
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Reply #3 - 03/01/13 at 03:00:11
 
Fast gliders give slower SSMTs
But master tunzi doesn't know that
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Reply #4 - 03/01/13 at 06:12:18
 
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Reply #5 - 03/01/13 at 08:38:11
 
Are you sure the best glider for RMG is beast glider? Looks that Flower is way better...
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Reply #6 - 03/01/13 at 19:54:20
 
TellTale wrote on 03/01/13 at 00:11:30:
RMG: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider


Please get WR with that glider MVT

MC2 too..
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Reply #7 - 03/01/13 at 21:49:13
 
Kryzz wrote on 03/01/13 at 19:54:20:
TellTale wrote on 03/01/13 at 00:11:30:
RMG: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider


Please get WR with that glider

already happened

it wasn’t MVT though
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Reply #8 - 03/01/13 at 22:40:55
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 03/01/13 at 21:49:13:
Kryzz wrote on 03/01/13 at 19:54:20:
TellTale wrote on 03/01/13 at 00:11:30:
RMG: Bowser - B Dasher - Slick - Beast Glider


Please get WR with that glider

already happened

it wasn’t MVT though


Yes it was me, and there's a reason why it's been improved so much since Wink
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Reply #9 - 03/01/13 at 22:50:56
 
Alexony wrote on 03/01/13 at 06:12:18:
Fuck logic.

Hahaha ! I quite laughed at Slick for CCL.

AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:

It's MONSTER, not RED Monster you fool Grin
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Reply #10 - 03/01/13 at 23:13:37
 
Mick wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:50:56:
Alexony wrote on 03/01/13 at 06:12:18:
Fuck logic.

Hahaha ! I quite laughed at Slick for CCL.

AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:

It's MONSTER, not RED Monster you fool Grin


The WR history site says Somen used slick in his current CCL WR.  If that's a typo on that site, then my bad and I'll correct the post if he used something different.

Also thank you for clarifying monster not red monster.
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Reply #11 - 03/02/13 at 00:41:49
 
How would peach be better than daisy on WS? I tried them both and daisy played way better than peach.
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Reply #12 - 03/02/13 at 02:04:25
 
Mick wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:50:56:
Alexony wrote on 03/01/13 at 06:12:18:
Fuck logic.

Hahaha ! I quite laughed at Slick for CCL.

AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:

It's MONSTER, not RED Monster you fool Grin

Why did you laugh at slick for ccl? O.o Smiley
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Reply #13 - 03/02/13 at 02:20:22
 
AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:


WS??? Are you serious? This combination is just terrible and much slower for water tracks (CCL and WS). It's impossible to get a WR with this.
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Reply #14 - 03/02/13 at 03:17:05
 
Zepple wrote on 03/02/13 at 02:20:22:
AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:


WS??? Are you serious? This combination is just terrible and much slower for water tracks (CCL and WS). It's impossible to get a WR with this.


He said that sarcastically  Smiley
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Reply #15 - 03/02/13 at 03:35:36
 
Oh yeah, didn't see the " :fp: " lol

But I still think rMG is better with Flower Glider.
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Reply #16 - 03/02/13 at 03:56:28
 
Seriously speaking, I agree with rMG combo. I still assume high speed glider has better way.

DH and rMC2 combos must be a joke. Wide combo works as a handicap on DH cause of Balloon boost.

And sky handling is importance on rMC2.
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Reply #17 - 03/02/13 at 06:48:53
 
Kryzz wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:40:55:
Yes it was me, and there's a reason why it's been improved so much since Wink

actually I wasn’t thinking of that, some Jap got a far better time, close to the current WR with it, I thought it was a former WR but guess not

it might’ve been Jasmine
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Reply #18 - 03/02/13 at 07:06:06
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 03/02/13 at 06:48:53:
Kryzz wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:40:55:
Yes it was me, and there's a reason why it's been improved so much since Wink

actually I wasn’t thinking of that, some Jap got a far better time, close to the current WR with it, I thought it was a former WR but guess not

it might’ve been Jasmine


If you look at the WR history you'll see a pattern, somebody sets a time using a fast glider and then people slaughter it with flower glider, then some time passes and the WR becomes weak, and other new strats are discovered (corner cut, mushroom boosts etc), and somebody is able to get the WR with fast glider again, but then it's just thrashed by handling glider. With the new strat you could take WR even with the fast glider but it's not worth it imo, you need to go too wide with it
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Kryzz wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:40:55:
If you look at the WR history you'll see a pattern, somebody sets a time using a fast glider and then people slaughter it with flower glider, then some time passes and the WR becomes weak, and other new strats are discovered (corner cut, mushroom boosts etc), and somebody is able to get the WR with fast glider again, but then it's just thrashed by handling glider. With the new strat you could take WR even with the fast glider but it's not worth it imo, you need to go too wide with it


I don't think I gave in to Chikuten because of glider's difference.

This was caused by some other reasons like trampoline boosts, SSMT, and my poor drifting  Smiley

Adromaster and Somen more improved the gliding with slow glider, but my way is also improvable imo.
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Reply #20 - 03/02/13 at 10:39:49
 
Samuel L wrote on 03/02/13 at 02:04:25:
Mick wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:50:56:
Alexony wrote on 03/01/13 at 06:12:18:
Fuck logic.

Hahaha ! I quite laughed at Slick for CCL.

AdroMaster wrote on 03/01/13 at 02:06:59:
In fact, Bowser + Bruiser + Red Monster + Beast Glider should be used in every track. WS is one of the weakest WRs because of that :fp:

It's MONSTER, not RED Monster you fool Grin

Why did you laugh at slick for ccl? O.o Smiley

Because we can't even be sure that Slick is better than Gold wheels for that track... MVT is just saying that because Somen performed the WR with Slicks... That doesn't prove shit.
I'm sure that if Somen had improved his own WR with gold wheels after that, MVT would have said Gold wheels are the most logical/best wheels to use on CCL Roll Eyes Tongue
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Reply #21 - 03/02/13 at 10:58:55
 
Gold wheels should never be used anywhere.  They have a smaller hitbox than slick.
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Reply #22 - 03/02/13 at 11:44:35
 
I know this is just a troll thread, but I tried Blue 7 at rKTB and I'm sure it's slower.
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Reply #23 - 03/02/13 at 12:48:08
 
It's not a troll thread, it is what I believe to be the OPTIMAL combos for every track.  Can they be changed or adjusted with good reasoning, future testing, new discoveries, etc?  Sure.

I think people are not understanding the key word of "optimal".  This list wasn't compiled thinking which combo is easiest, or which combo can get a fast time without much effort.  When I made the list I was thinking, if someone were to make a TAS aiming for the fastest possible times, then what combinations would be best to achieve that goal.
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Reply #24 - 03/02/13 at 14:53:56
 
I don't understand your obsession with Bowser. Even if he had a taller hitbox, that would just be easier to collect coins in the air (like RRM, MG or LM for example), but I don't see why you think it would be faster unless it's possible to grab more coins with him. And considering his hitbox has the same width as Wario's, it should not change anything for the coins which are on the ground.
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