I've seen plenty of people express their interest for shortcuts but the only way this will ever build into something beyond the board is if they get incorporated back into the main site.

The existing site rules can be pretty intimidating and confusing for newcomers so offering shortcuts not only opens competition up to everyone but acknowledges the true nature of this game.  Yes, it's ridden with ridiculous lap skips and glitches but the players' page should not ignore the fastest times possible.  It's sort of our duty to make this place the best source for mksc so why not?

I think this is a good idea but that there should also be Non-SC/SC charts, as lapskips are really annoying and kill competition for many flaps (and limit some 3/5laps a lot as well).

PP rules has to remain the main chart though.

-Christophe.

Lafungo wrote on 02/26/13 at 19:43:18:



Idk, my favorite system out of all the MK systems is the one MKW adopted (whichever category you're best at is the one on counted for you on the combined ranks) because I almost exclusively play SC in the older MK's.

Ban shrooms in all MK games? You, sir, deserve the award of the maddest guy in here

I'b be all for it if it's split into shortcut/no shortcut.

Though if we get sc charts I doubt that Non-ZZMT Charts will ever happen, but that wasn't going to happen anyway so whatever.

I'm all for it as well. That's what I had been waiting for since I discovered and entered the PP! I'm glad it  will now be established so that people who are still playing SC will play it even more and other non-SC players may be motivated to join the SC chart as well!

Actually, adding SC charts would motivate me to play SC as well. I never even bothered to try, because practically the only known time was the WR, which was always way out of my reach. So I'd say Yes and we'll see how it turns out.

Pretty warm reception so far!

Here are my thoughts about implementing it...

1. Everyone has two time sets, non-sc (current site rules) and sc (no rules).
2. When updating, times that are non-sc must be labeled non-sc otherwise get placed under sc only!
3. It's imperative we create a page listing and describing all of the shortcuts.
4. We should also expand/update the non-sc rules to ensure there are no doubts what is and isn't allowed.
5. We need a fresh new layout and color scheme to properly rep this shit!

This scheme has worked very well for mkds and is probably the least confusing approach to take for shortcuts.  I understand there will be some massive ties but that's the nature of the beast.  For example, mk64's FS flap probably motivated players into discovering a new strat to take the WR for themselves!  If we ban certain tricks, we will have to police everyone and make sure that these rules are being followed much like in non-sc.  The way I see it, the sc chart should be the option for players who don't want to worry about posting illegal times.

In terms of site staff involvement, the only extra work you have is select which times are non-sc as sc is the default.  If a non-sc time is faster than one's sc time, it automatically gets copied over to the sc table.

If you guys are okay with this and it gets Queen Spril's blessing, I can go over this with Alex and get something cooking.

Well, we could create several charts but those must be updated and proved even more rigorously.

Ticking is permitted, just so happens a faster strat exists on CL.  If we want a sc chart, we should go all the way instead of creating a pseudo non-sc chart with more rules.  At least for now, it will be interesting to see how a no restriction chart would play out.  The door is always open for new ideas and charts down the road but I think this would be the first big step in that direction.

Right now we have 22 tracks banning lakitu or lap skips near starting line.
http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1152268445/0#0

We can either build a chart around these tracks only or copy the other 18 tracks over to make universal non-sc.  That is like mkds where we copy non-prb times over to the ones where prb doesn't matter.  It sounds redundant but you want to look at the game as a whole and not just select tracks.  We are still keeping the original site rules chart which means those will also copy over if faster than what a player already has under sc or universal non-sc.   Trying to juggle three charts might be tricky but not impossible!

The goal is to make the pp the go to place everything mksc.

Lafungo wrote on 02/27/13 at 17:17:47:


I agree here. This could also substantially raise the amount of players here on the MKSC PP if we spread the word. I've heard many people say "the rules are stupid so I won't bother" over the years.

hahaae wrote on 02/27/13 at 17:24:07:


Yea. I think actually having a SC section would definitely be a positive thing. Obviously the kinks of it all need to be worked out, but it will help with activity, and there is a lot less times police stuff to worry about.

Etch, if you want to work on getting it put together, you have my blessing

With Spril's approval now I PM'd my layout/design/specs to Alex.

Once that is situated we can start updating/creating the content for the new pages.

Standards are easy but we will definitely need you for that Shock!

hahaae wrote on 02/27/13 at 11:24:18:


Posting just to say I disagree with this.

Adding the f-lap times would give these players increased incentive to play f-laps and submit competitive times, at the same time including their times in one definite definitive global chart and ranking.

Otherwise, I am all for all ideas.
I would have posted a different poll question; no outcome would influence my decision of whether to actually play for and sumbit SC times, but I am very positive towards including rankings on the site.