What does this mean for MKSC?

I know nothing about MKW : how many times are definitely fake ?

Does he want to defend himself and do some streams ?

And remember this topic a few years ago...

Yeah, some of his inputs show that he pressed the dpad every other frame (which is like .016 in MKW or something, I forgot tbh), which is humanly impossible.

I was also thinking about his SC MKSC times. All of them are 10x harder and 10x more robotic than anything he's done in MKW.

Roy said he had an MKSC emulator in 2003, meaning it was possible for Mander to TAS his RR time for example. As far as I know, Mander might have done something as simple as savestates, but who knows. That's the problem here; if we are applying the same standards to Mander as we did to Fenner, I'd say Mander has blown our trust by proving to basically be the longest uncaught cheater in MKW.

I think we can't trust his times to be legitimate on this site and should be removed in the context of what happened in MKW.

Shock wrote on 07/22/12 at 15:21:59:


I'm looking into this -- I unfortunately don't know enough about his MKSC history to make a determination that way, so if anyone wants to enlighten me, I'd beyond appreciate that. With something like this, I would like to completely know what is going on and what kind of player this is before I say definitely "he needs to go".

Just so everyone knows, I am the one who makes the final decision on who stays and who goes, although any staff is welcome to throw in their two cents.

personally i've been sus from day 1 but we didn't have means to catch him and he does have skill as people have seen him "play live" with hands.

But this mkwii shit should mean he's autobanned from mksc. Thats what I was trying to implement with the other site staffs but no one really bothered to reply. ahem.

Nicola wrote on 07/22/12 at 16:06:52:


I do too, but I want to know exactly what I'm dealing with before I do anything

Nicola wrote on 07/22/12 at 16:20:54:


I'd love to know more about previous accusations of cheating on MKSC if anyone knows about it -- I've looked through all the posts that so much as mention him and found a little bit, but if there is more than that, I'd like to know. I'm also looking for any MKSC vids he might have.

Hahaae, do you still have that link that shows him racing with SC? Like the one where he landed the BL SC 3/3 and I think MC was also in there... I remember you showing it to me once and thinking "there's no way that's legit." They were all pretty pixel tight runs.

I took a look again at the video of Mander's RR with April

First moment of shroom going into lap 2:

Notice how aggressive his line is; he nearly falls off or hits the bricks. Misses by pixels at most:

He hops here, while simultaneously starting to straighten up a little:

Straightened up into a line heading right for the bumper. This is all happening in a very short amount of time:

Starts turning to the right again:

In a very few frames before hitting the bumper, he seems practically in the same plane as it:


I submit these screenshots as evidence of potential TAS savestate usage on his RR 3-lap. The line is aggressive as you can see; he nearly falls off to the right before reaching the hop. The shroom is used before the effects of the boosters wear off. The hop itself is far back on the road, and it even appears that he straightens up immediately after hopping before turning to the right again a couple frames later. In my view, that's a likely savestate used right at the hop.

I also stick to the argument that he is a known cheater who is good at covering his tracks. His times cannot be trusted as legitimate on this site, and that's what matters most.

Submitted as my $.02, April.

I'm sure his old ZZMT runs were done with the keyboard. They aren't consistent with quickly going left-right on a DPad, but you can ZZMT in a straight line easily with a keyboard.

hahaae wrote on 07/22/12 at 16:42:20:


This video is recorded on a real GBA SP screen, and i dont see how  to put a replay of a GBA track on the cart (but i may miss something), so it must be done on the GBA itself.

About his old ZZMT times i'm pretty sure he did them with PC + keyboard for the same reason: the video quality WAS perfect (not a camera, just plain bitmap recording).
As far as I know he played them in real time (but on one can know it for sure) using keyboard to get ZZMTS then someone (likely Su and others Japaneses) banned the use of PC. In my opinion the way he was getting ZZMT shows that he was playing in real time (his wiggling is human doable). If any cheat was used in his old (and deleted) times then it was savestate.

About RR, his line are aggressive? Not a surprise, since it was the WR, the first jump requires a frame precision timing as far as I remenber but many trusted players got it 3/3.
What always impressed me of his RR time was the ending of the last lap:


ah.. and BTW, top japanese player does not like to be in #2 or worst position, so i'm sure it's not a problem to delete his time form our site...

http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1341762836/475

Here is the proof that Mander has cheated. They basically downloaded his WR ghost on a certain track and extracted the button input of the file using some hacking. This demonstrated without a doubt that he used rapidfire, as the button input that was detected way above what's humanly possible (something like 1 input every frame). Read the entire topic for the specifics if you want.


This is quite the relief I must say. Many of us were suspecting him of cheating all this time, but we could never be quite sure without evidence. All we had to go on were gut feeling and his lack to communicate and provide adequate replies in the face of probing questions...but this could also have been due to the language barrier. Now we know it wasn't.

According to some posts I read in the MKWii section Mander is technically very skilled and very motivated to keep on fooling the community with extensive efforts; putting a TAS replay on the GBA would most likely be within the range of his possiblities.

Either way, he has been caught a 100% on MKWii, so we need not even be concerned with the real truth of his MKSC times. Like Tom said, the bans from the MKWii section should automatically be taken over by all other kart sites for all the cheaters busted. No mercy.

EDIT: Would that make you the SC Champion than Ethan? If so, you were denied credit for far too long and I salute you as the one and only deserving World Champ of MKSC SC.