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Reply #75 - 07/24/12 at 23:07:40

uhm one question, if the custon music gets banned now, how do you want to find out which records were done with custon music and which werent? isnt it useless to ban them, everyone that wants to have custom music will keep using it, because it cant be proofed that it was used. or is it possible to find out if a record was done with custom music or not?

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Reply #76 - 07/25/12 at 00:48:50

Tschukitschaki wrote on 07/24/12 at 23:07:40:

uhm one question, if the custon music gets banned now, how do you want to find out which records were done with custon music and which werent? isnt it useless to ban them, everyone that wants to have custom music will keep using it, because it cant be proofed that it was used. or is it possible to find out if a record was done with custom music or not?

Can you guys please quit using the argument "people who want to do it will do it anyway"? That's the fucking worst argument ever and it's so stupid beyond retardation that I could go retard by reading it once more.

People who want to TAS will TAS anyway. People who want to kill people will kill people anyway. People who want to steal will steal anyway.

Do we still need a law for those things? Of course faggots. It makes me laugh how everyone uses this argument, it has nothing to do with banning or not banning it. It's just plain stupid. Have you all gone down to Flo's level? Even Flo could be smarter than you, and I don't say this often.

Also fucking listen to Sorozone, he's spot on. You can listen to music via Ipod/etc, why do you need to resort to hacking the game to change the music? So fucking retarded.

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You should all listen to Timur. He's an onion.

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Reply #77 - 07/25/12 at 01:14:14

Zwiebel wrote on 07/25/12 at 00:48:50:

Tschukitschaki wrote on 07/24/12 at 23:07:40:

uhm one question, if the custon music gets banned now, how do you want to find out which records were done with custon music and which werent? isnt it useless to ban them, everyone that wants to have custom music will keep using it, because it cant be proofed that it was used. or is it possible to find out if a record was done with custom music or not?

Can you guys please quit using the argument "people who want to do it will do it anyway"? That's the fucking worst argument ever and it's so stupid beyond retardation that I could go retard by reading it once more.

People who want to TAS will TAS anyway. People who want to kill people will kill people anyway. People who want to steal will steal anyway.

Do we still need a law for those things? Of course faggots. It makes me laugh how everyone uses this argument, it has nothing to do with banning or not banning it. It's just plain stupid. Have you all gone down to Flo's level? Even Flo could be smarter than you, and I don't say this often.

Also fucking listen to Sorozone, he's spot on. You can listen to music via Ipod/etc, why do you need to resort to hacking the game to change the music? So fucking retarded.

Just wanted to know if its possible to find that or not, anyway in my opinion a rule doesnt make sense, if nobody knows if people comply with it, also people who want to tas or who want to kill will not simply do it, because of the danger getting cought, and well i dont think that people that are using custom music, will stop doing it just because the pp suddenly decides it should be banned, anyway banning music or textures makes no sense to me anyway, its not a help for you to easier get records, it just makes it more comfortable maybe, records that are done with custom music or texture hacks are still as good as they were without music and textures. btw. what flo are you talking about?

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Reply #79 - 07/25/12 at 02:48:02

Tschukitschaki wrote on 07/25/12 at 01:14:14:

Zwiebel wrote on 07/25/12 at 00:48:50:

Tschukitschaki wrote on 07/24/12 at 23:07:40:

uhm one question, if the custon music gets banned now, how do you want to find out which records were done with custon music and which werent? isnt it useless to ban them, everyone that wants to have custom music will keep using it, because it cant be proofed that it was used. or is it possible to find out if a record was done with custom music or not?

Can you guys please quit using the argument "people who want to do it will do it anyway"? That's the fucking worst argument ever and it's so stupid beyond retardation that I could go retard by reading it once more.

People who want to TAS will TAS anyway. People who want to kill people will kill people anyway. People who want to steal will steal anyway.

Do we still need a law for those things? Of course faggots. It makes me laugh how everyone uses this argument, it has nothing to do with banning or not banning it. It's just plain stupid. Have you all gone down to Flo's level? Even Flo could be smarter than you, and I don't say this often.

Also fucking listen to Sorozone, he's spot on. You can listen to music via Ipod/etc, why do you need to resort to hacking the game to change the music? So fucking retarded.

Just wanted to know if its possible to find that or not, anyway in my opinion a rule doesnt make sense, if nobody knows if people comply with it, also people who want to tas or who want to kill will not simply do it, because of the danger getting cought, and well i dont think that people that are using custom music, will stop doing it just because the pp suddenly decides it should be banned, anyway banning music or textures makes no sense to me anyway, its not a help for you to easier get records, it just makes it more comfortable maybe, records that are done with custom music or texture hacks are still as good as they were without music and textures. btw. what flo are you talking about?

let me put it this way. If you do it and you're caught then you're removed entirely. Its the risk you take. But additionally these are the rules which are being set by the site staff, if you dont like them go to cyberscore or something.

One of the main reason for not altering the music is you could put in music as timing cues for inputs which could be much stronger/better than your normal vision timing.

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Reply #80 - 07/25/12 at 05:17:00

Tom1 wrote on 07/25/12 at 02:48:02:

if you dont like them go to cyberscore or something.

fuck off, Cyberscore bans any kind of hard/software modification

go to VGR if you want to cheat, they like it

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Reply #81 - 07/25/12 at 07:12:01

Sorozone wrote on 07/24/12 at 18:55:03:

Once again. If you want to listen to music, there are other ways other than hacking your Wii.

I sometimes play with my own music on my laptop next to me and mute the tv, but the only difference is that the all the sounds apart from the bgm are gone too, and I'm not sure on how much of an effect that has on me. Sometimes when doing this I actually feel like turning off my own music and unmuting the tv, but this maybe because I haven't invested as much as others into tt, so I'm driven mad by it yet.

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Reply #82 - 07/25/12 at 07:13:40

I don't agree with the any of the poll options. They make it sound much too complicated, especially for a beginner or non-hacker to understand. The line in my first post is much better. Note the key words in it..."during time trials". If you want to use things outside of your own personal time trials be my guest, but not DURING them. It's a lot clearer policy than any of the poll options.

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Reply #83 - 07/25/12 at 15:44:48

Well, I figured common sense would take over with reading your first post, and then the poll options.

I mean, I was gonna dumb it down a bit, but people are talking/debating/complaining about certain aspects of hacking, so I just tried to throw in all the options that are being heavily "discussed".

Like I said before, the winning option of the poll isn't necessarily going to have any effect on what we decide should be the rules/policy.

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Reply #84 - 07/30/12 at 11:27:15

As for hacks allowing recording tool,
I don't see any reason to ban them as they're not even related to how times are being made.

For others things, I'd be willing to allow custom musics and ban the rest.
Listening to the musics through your PC is kinda the same in the end so well, that's not much an advantage on the side of people whom hack their game.

Then it can turn into accepting game modification or not at all, in that case not any hack that can be seen, heard, felt while racing (aka any hack/modification excluding TT record tools) should be allowed Tongue

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MVT Ex Member	Re: Let's Craft The New Site Policies Reply #85 - 07/30/12 at 12:04:13 Custom music has been banned long ago. To reinstate it would be a total travesty and unfair to all of the players that stopped using it because of the ban years ago.
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Reply #86 - 08/02/12 at 18:28:23

Closed the Poll.

Seems like Textures hacks for sure need to banned according to the community. Some favor everything being banned.

All in all, the community largely agrees with the opening statement. Music still being the biggest...I guess "deterrent".

In any case the music issue can be resolved by simply just playing music off your laptop, if you need to hack your Wii to get your music fix, then I'm inclined to believe it gives some sort of advantage over it just playing on your computer. Otherwise there is really no reason for it, because the reason it obvious.

Regardless if you, yourself realize it, some songs intentionally or unintentionally can make some mini-turbo sounds, and wheelie sounds easier to hear, which is an advantage. By the same token, it can also make some harder to hear, but that's not the point. The point is an advantage can exist, and that advantage can only become available through hacking the Wii.

I personally don't believe in the motivation factor that some people are saying, as some who are lobbying for music to be allowed, but I also feel my point is a much stronger one.

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Web NinjaWeb Offline Expected MKSC Comeback: 2016?!?! 5795 days karting Gender:	Re: Let's Craft The New Site Policies Reply #87 - 08/02/12 at 19:20:32 If you want to just look at music in the poll, it's 37-18 in favor of banning custom music. Although the poll doesn't mean site policy, I'd say the spread is sufficient enough to say that most people believe that custom music should not be allowed on the charts.
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Reply #88 - 08/03/12 at 08:20:21

Sorozone wrote on 08/02/12 at 18:28:23:

...some songs intentionally or unintentionally can make some mini-turbo sounds, and wheelie sounds easier to hear, which is an advantage.
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I've never released a mini-turbo or wheelied based on my hearing, I do it purely on intuition and guesstimation. Does anyone else though?

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Silver Ex Member	Re: Let's Craft The New Site Policies Reply #89 - 08/03/12 at 09:00:40 ^ For me: Mini turbos are based on experience and instinct. Wheelies are based on wheelie sounds :L
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Reply #93 - 08/04/12 at 08:02:44

General wrote on 08/04/12 at 07:46:12:

Banning custom music is completely asinine and arbitrary. Changing the BGM has absolutely no effect (0%) on the engine physics, nor any manipulation or persuasion of player inputs or modifying core gameplay, such as slow motion, save states, rapid fire, etc.

This bogus "argument" that "it changes your brain waves and instructs your brain differently" is absolute bullshit. Humans have varying thought processes and react differently while listening to music. Music by principle is a purely subjective art form, appreciated and perceived different. It's why everyone has their own specific tastes in musical genres, and will not react equally to the same particular song. Another argument that was presented was that it "sets the mood or relieves stress, thus an unfair advantage". Listening to music (or in this case different music) is not an unfair advantage or ever has been, nor is it morally wrong in any shape or form. Might as well ban .mp3 players and iPods while we're at it since they are outside sources of non-native BGMs too.

Last time I checked, you do not have authority over anyone's state of mind or emotions. You cannot dictate what someone listens to either.

Having a song you like as bgm doesn't make any difference on having an annoying bgm? Some regular final lap tunes getting on your nerves badly cuz of going beserk (rMR, WGM, rWS for example). A slower tune is also slower tune on lap 3, means more relax, a calmer state, an advantage.

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Question: What should be Banned?
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Everything(This includes tools for improving YOUTUBE VIDEOS) 11 (20%) Direct Gameplay Modification(Tools for YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE ALLOWED, Everything else is not) 26 (47.2%) Direct Gameplay Modification, excluding texture and music hacks(they would be allowed) 3 (5.4%) Direct Gameplay Modification, Textures are NOT ALLOWED, music IS ALLOWED 15 (27.2%) Total votes: 55 « Created by: Sorozone on: 07/24/12 at 19:30:47 »