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Question: What should be Banned?
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Everything(This includes tools for improving YOUTUBE VIDEOS)  
  11 (20%)
Direct Gameplay Modification(Tools for YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE ALLOWED, Everything else is not)  
  26 (47.2%)
Direct Gameplay Modification, excluding texture and music hacks(they would be allowed)  
  3 (5.4%)
Direct Gameplay Modification, Textures are NOT ALLOWED, music IS ALLOWED  
  15 (27.2%)




Total votes: 55
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Reply #25 - 07/22/12 at 17:39:32
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 07/22/12 at 08:18:31:
it worked already, just make a news update stating what MVT wrote
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Reply #26 - 07/23/12 at 15:49:45
 
So Sword is gonna be banned because he records TTs which means he loads TT mode while using a modification of the Wii.
Way to go MVT.
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Reply #27 - 07/23/12 at 15:58:38
 
Blackyboi wrote on 07/23/12 at 15:49:45:
I'm a worse poster than MVT and Jaws combined.


Fixed it for you.
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Reply #28 - 07/23/12 at 16:10:36
 
I'll stick an announcement in the next news update I write--which will probably be next week, since I want to allow more time for the smoke to clear. To be honest, though, I thought everyone should have already gotten this by now. This isn't the first time we've talked about so-called "harmless" modifications, and, for the most part, we always agreed that they shouldn't be used during Time Trials. I hope the message gets through to everyone this time.
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Reply #29 - 07/23/12 at 20:14:11
 
Just copy paste the line from the first post onto the sign up page for the website and your good to go.
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Reply #30 - 07/23/12 at 20:29:20
 
TellTale wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:28:32:
MrL1193 wrote on 07/23/12 at 16:31:06:
Thus, his 2010/2011 WR's have been allowed to stand, for now.


I find that to be quite tragic.  Thanks for letting me know, I didn't realize that was the case.  I'm not sure who was in the authority position to make such a decision, especially apparently privately without consulting the community, but I definitely look forward to looking into it further and making a stink about it.


Since when in the flying fuck is this the case regarding Jorge?  Enlighten me.
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Reply #31 - 07/23/12 at 20:49:25
 
Your theories that custom music gives an unfair advantage due to it influencing your 'brain patterns'  is complete bs.  I understand textures and things like that, but music hacks really are harmless.  I know that a line has to be drawn somewhere at what is and is not allowed and it would be much simpler to just say anything beyond loading the game in the disk drive is hacking, but the fact is the majority of the people who make these rules don't even play the game themselves anymore.

Whether or not you make this a rule, I know that I and many others will continue to not care about the rule and will continue playing with custom music.  It'd be a shame for so many players' legitimate times to not be counted by the PP.
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Reply #32 - 07/23/12 at 21:04:29
 
TellTale wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:29:20:
TellTale wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:28:32:
MrL1193 wrote on 07/23/12 at 16:31:06:
Thus, his 2010/2011 WR's have been allowed to stand, for now.


I find that to be quite tragic.  Thanks for letting me know, I didn't realize that was the case.  I'm not sure who was in the authority position to make such a decision, especially apparently privately without consulting the community, but I definitely look forward to looking into it further and making a stink about it.


Since when in the flying fuck is this the case regarding Jorge?  Enlighten me.

It doesn't have anything to do with this site. Jorge is banned from MKW, MK64, and all the others now. And if this plays out anything like Fenner's case, there won't even be a record of Jorge's reign left on the Past Champions page. However, Jorge's old WR's are still counted in the WR history on Cole's site. I believe his Daisy Circuit is one of them, which means that he still has credit for a current WR. This is because, due to the level of skill he showed in the past, it is believed that he only recently resorted to cheating, in response to the threat from Jay.

Look, I know this isn't going to sit well with you, MVT, because you've been calling him out from the beginning, and you thought that this discovery would vindicate what you said. But, believe it or not, a lot of people still do not believe that your original accusations were correct. Personally, I don't know any more which of Jorge's times were legit and which weren't (kind of like what happened with Fenner). But I definitely believe he was talented enough to set WR's legitimately, and I believe that's exactly what he did for a while. It's just a shame that he threw it away trying to beat someone who wasn't legitimate in the first place.
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Reply #33 - 07/23/12 at 21:25:49
 
MKchouy93 wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:49:25:
Your theories that custom music gives an unfair advantage due to it influencing your 'brain patterns'  is complete bs.  I understand textures and things like that, but music hacks really are harmless.  I know that a line has to be drawn somewhere at what is and is not allowed and it would be much simpler to just say anything beyond loading the game in the disk drive is hacking, but the fact is the majority of the people who make these rules don't even play the game themselves anymore.

Whether or not you make this a rule, I know that I and many others will continue to not care about the rule and will continue playing with custom music.  It'd be a shame for so many players' legitimate times to not be counted by the PP.


That's too bad, because that decision was made in 2010.  Too bad you missed the boat on that one.

MrL1193 wrote on 07/23/12 at 21:04:29:
TellTale wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:29:20:
TellTale wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:28:32:
MrL1193 wrote on 07/23/12 at 16:31:06:
Thus, his 2010/2011 WR's have been allowed to stand, for now.


I find that to be quite tragic.  Thanks for letting me know, I didn't realize that was the case.  I'm not sure who was in the authority position to make such a decision, especially apparently privately without consulting the community, but I definitely look forward to looking into it further and making a stink about it.


Since when in the flying fuck is this the case regarding Jorge?  Enlighten me.

It doesn't have anything to do with this site. Jorge is banned from MKW, MK64, and all the others now. And if this plays out anything like Fenner's case, there won't even be a record of Jorge's reign left on the Past Champions page. However, Jorge's old WR's are still counted in the WR history on Cole's site. I believe his Daisy Circuit is one of them, which means that he still has credit for a current WR. This is because, due to the level of skill he showed in the past, it is believed that he only recently resorted to cheating, in response to the threat from Jay.

Look, I know this isn't going to sit well with you, MVT, because you've been calling him out from the beginning, and you thought that this discovery would vindicate what you said. But, believe it or not, a lot of people still do not believe that your original accusations were correct. Personally, I don't know any more which of Jorge's times were legit and which weren't (kind of like what happened with Fenner). But I definitely believe he was talented enough to set WR's legitimately, and I believe that's exactly what he did for a while. It's just a shame that he threw it away trying to beat someone who wasn't legitimate in the first place.


How completely biased and one sided that shit is.  To claim that just because the kid had talent, we should not invalidate his past records, might be the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen, and you have no right whatsoever to make that decision either.  If Cole wants to ruin the legitimacy of his WR history website, than so be it, that's his call.  But the players page should not recognize that Jorge ever even had a WR before.  To the player's page, it should be treated as if he never even existed.  I find this to be even more incredibly one-sided because when mander was caught the same way (on one particular time only, exact same as Jorge) everyone unanimously declared that all of his past WRs are removed.  I agree with such a stance!  But for Jorge we are treating him specially and being nice to him?  ...just because of what you claim his "talents" are.  I'm sure mander also has very legitimate natural talents as well, but Jorge gets a free pass because a few of you are buddies with him?  If you ever want to fix this community this NONSENSE  where certain people are treated superiorly compared to others and there are double standards all over the place needs to be halted immediately.
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Reply #34 - 07/23/12 at 21:28:43
 
MKchouy93 wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:49:25:
Your theories that custom music gives an unfair advantage due to it influencing your 'brain patterns'  is complete bs.  I understand textures and things like that, but music hacks really are harmless.  I know that a line has to be drawn somewhere at what is and is not allowed and it would be much simpler to just say anything beyond loading the game in the disk drive is hacking, but the fact is the majority of the people who make these rules don't even play the game themselves anymore.

Whether or not you make this a rule, I know that I and many others will continue to not care about the rule and will continue playing with custom music.  It'd be a shame for so many players' legitimate times to not be counted by the PP.

Chouy, while it would indeed be much easier to just let this slide, if we want to enforce a completely level playing field, we have to weed out even the tiniest of advantages. It doesn't have to be because the music gives you cues for your actions; just think in terms of motivation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has sometimes picked a favorite level, stage, track, etc. in a game based on its music rather than the actual gameplay. Imagine how much more you could enjoy playing a track in Mario Kart Wii if you could listen to your favorite music instead of the same old tunes. You'd probably be able to play longer and keep your cool better, right? In fact, you probably could get more done than a rival who is stuck with the stale in-game music. That's all it takes to give you an advantage. And that's why Sword and ZRoyal had to agree to stop using custom music some time back. I'm not sure why Doom didn't, but I hope he doesn't force us into a situation of having to discount a WR for such a small advantage, because I know he could improve the WR without it if he could just find the motivation to do so.
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Reply #35 - 07/23/12 at 21:43:53
 
MVT, it's not my decision. Jorge's times are already off the site, and he will probably be taken down from the Past Champions page by an admin at some point. There will be no record left of him on the Players' Page, as you said, because that's the official site policy. But that's all I have any influence over. People will still be able to decide for themselves whether or not to believe individual runs he's made in the past, and I have no control over that. If Cole, NMeade, Sword, Aruba, and others in the community still want to keep some record of his old times and still believe that he was the best player in the world, that's their choice, not mine.
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Reply #36 - 07/23/12 at 23:23:50
 
MrL1193 wrote on 07/23/12 at 21:28:43:
MKchouy93 wrote on 07/23/12 at 20:49:25:
Your theories that custom music gives an unfair advantage due to it influencing your 'brain patterns'  is complete bs.  I understand textures and things like that, but music hacks really are harmless.  I know that a line has to be drawn somewhere at what is and is not allowed and it would be much simpler to just say anything beyond loading the game in the disk drive is hacking, but the fact is the majority of the people who make these rules don't even play the game themselves anymore.

Whether or not you make this a rule, I know that I and many others will continue to not care about the rule and will continue playing with custom music.  It'd be a shame for so many players' legitimate times to not be counted by the PP.

Chouy, while it would indeed be much easier to just let this slide, if we want to enforce a completely level playing field, we have to weed out even the tiniest of advantages. It doesn't have to be because the music gives you cues for your actions; just think in terms of motivation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has sometimes picked a favorite level, stage, track, etc. in a game based on its music rather than the actual gameplay. Imagine how much more you could enjoy playing a track in Mario Kart Wii if you could listen to your favorite music instead of the same old tunes. You'd probably be able to play longer and keep your cool better, right? In fact, you probably could get more done than a rival who is stuck with the stale in-game music. That's all it takes to give you an advantage. And that's why Sword and ZRoyal had to agree to stop using custom music some time back. I'm not sure why Doom didn't, but I hope he doesn't force us into a situation of having to discount a WR for such a small advantage, because I know he could improve the WR without it if he could just find the motivation to do so.


There's tons of things that add to the motivation of players and I don't think motivation is what's in question.  If there's a time that I want to get, then that's it, I'm going to get that time whether or not my favorite song is playing.  Pretty much all of my best times have been done without custom music with the exception of one or two.  When I'm 'motivated' whether it be because a rival just beat my time or I saw an awesome video making me want to play or whatever the case may be, I will put in the effort to get my time despite the music I'm listening to.  No offense but Royal didn't switch out of riivolution because the PP told him to, but pretty much to just give a slap in the face to anybody saying he only subbed rMR due to textures (went and beat it right after by .2xx without textures.)  The point is, I decide when I stop and the music plays no other role than just that.  Most of the people who read this don't even play the game themselves anymore and don't understand what really keeps a player on a track, so they can just blabber away..




@MVT  Enforced is the word I'm looking for?  Either way the PP has done a shit job and I figured I'd voice my opinion before something is actually done about it after 3 years
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Reply #37 - 07/23/12 at 23:36:00
 
Chouy, if you can keep up your motivation regardless of music, that's great for you. But you have to understand, not everyone thinks like you. Now, I personally do not usually have a strong negative reaction to music, because I can just tune it out if necessary. But I do appreciate good music, and I know from experience how an awesome soundtrack can bring life to an otherwise boring stage that I wouldn't look twice at otherwise. For example, when I was a little kid, some of my favorite tracks in MK64 were Luigi Raceway, Mario Raceway, Royal Raceway, and Wario Stadium, due in no small part to the music, which I loved. And it affected my (not very serious) Time Trials, too; I spent significantly more time on these courses than on others just because I enjoyed the music. So I know just how much good music can motivate a person to play. It might not be the case for you, but I know it is for a lot of other people. And at the end of the day, how are we supposed to determine whether or not a person is deriving any benefit from custom music? And why would they refuse to quit using custom music if the music doesn't matter to them?

Also, regarding Zane's textures, Sorozone specifically pointed out that the texture he used made the pipe tricks easier because the white pipe contrasted more with the green grass. It's also quite easy to see how it is possible to specifically craft textures to give an advantage (such as adding markers for pulling off the BC3 SC's, which some players have actually done). They definitely tend to have more of an effect than custom music, and can completely change the way you look at a track--for better or for worse.
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Reply #38 - 07/24/12 at 01:47:28
 
Agree with Chouy, it's ludicrous and I encourage anyone with custom music to continue using it should you wish to do so, it's completely harmless.  Huh
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Reply #39 - 07/24/12 at 02:34:38
 
Okay, let's pretend for a moment that you're right. Let's pretend that custom music makes no difference whatsoever. In that case, you have two options:

1. Turn off custom music, race normally, feel exactly the same way as before, keep everyone happy.
2. Raise a big stink, create a divide in the community over something that is of absolutely no consequence.

Now, is this or is this not an accurate description of what you (according to your own argument) are doing?
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Reply #40 - 07/24/12 at 02:39:30
 
The custom music hack issue can be explained and resolved in 3 undisputable sentences :

- Integrated custom music while playing Mario Kart Wii is a hack.

- Any hacks any device providing hacks are completely banned from any competitive play.

- Therefore custom music is banned from competing on time trials.

If you want to take an extreme example, custom menus or custom character skins are also banned here. Allowing minor hacks is essentially opening the Pandora's box.
It is VERY important to make you understand that hacking is a terrible thing to do and should never be allowed for any official competition no matter the reasons. If you're not happy with this, get the fuck out.
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Reply #41 - 07/24/12 at 03:32:14
 
Mick wrote on 07/24/12 at 02:39:30:
If you want to take an extreme example, custom menus or custom character skins are also banned here. Allowing minor hacks is essentially opening the Pandora's box.
It is VERY important to make you understand that hacking is a terrible thing to do and should never be allowed for any official competition no matter the reasons. If you're not happy with this, get the fuck out.

^this, this, this

the effect of the hack doesn’t even mean shit, hacking is banned, if you don’t like it, go fuck yourself

we should discount all of Chouy’s WRs, if he has any
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Reply #42 - 07/24/12 at 03:52:36
 
Some people time their wheelies using the sounds they produce (Degausser for instance said a long time ago he was doing this for RPB). If you change the background music you are potentially giving yourself an unfair advantage over the other players (the background music might help you to distinguish the wheelie sounds more easily)

it's probably a case that is not relevant for many people (most players mash the wheelie button), nonetheless this case exists, and it is enough to say that custom music should be banned.

The other reasons given above are already explaining everything pretty clearly anyway.
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Reply #43 - 07/24/12 at 04:20:00
 
The game must remain the same for everybody, otherwise competition has just no sense. There is no gradation in hacking, no "tiny hack", lol.
Modifying the game is cheating, end of story.
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Reply #45 - 07/24/12 at 05:57:51
 
Mick wrote on 07/24/12 at 02:39:30:
The custom music hack issue can be explained and resolved in 3 undisputable sentences :

- Integrated custom music while playing Mario Kart Wii is a hack.

- Any hacks any device providing hacks are completely banned from any competitive play.

- Therefore custom music is banned from competing on time trials.

If you want to take an extreme example, custom menus or custom character skins are also banned here. Allowing minor hacks is essentially opening the Pandora's box.
It is VERY important to make you understand that hacking is a terrible thing to do and should never be allowed for any official competition no matter the reasons. If you're not happy with this, get the fuck out.


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Reply #46 - 07/24/12 at 06:11:29
 
Arsenic wrote on 07/24/12 at 05:01:56:


Not like I have a choice is it? I don't even play this game so I don't care in that sense, but I just think it's stupidity and that's my opinion. Nice try.

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Timothy wrote on 07/24/12 at 06:11:29:
Arsenic wrote on 07/24/12 at 05:01:56:


Not like I have a choice is it? I don't even play this game so I don't care in that sense, but I just think it's stupidity and that's my opinion. Nice try.



It seems you're a bit sensitive. So, I'm going to write an angelic post ^__^:

Alright, my post wasn't really serious. You should try to explain why it's supidity; I'm interested to see your reasons  Smiley
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Arsenic wrote on 07/24/12 at 06:50:23:
Timothy wrote on 07/24/12 at 06:11:29:
Arsenic wrote on 07/24/12 at 05:01:56:


Not like I have a choice is it? I don't even play this game so I don't care in that sense, but I just think it's stupidity and that's my opinion. Nice try.



It seems you're a bit sensitive. So, I'm going to write an angelic post ^__^:

Alright, my post wasn't really serious. You should try to explain why it's supidity; I'm interested to see your reasons  Smiley


It's asinine comments like this as to why I may be perceived as "sensitive" from your POV. Reasons as above.
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Reply #49 - 07/24/12 at 08:43:28
 
Timothy wrote on 07/24/12 at 06:55:19:
It's asinine comments like this [...]


Thank you, you proved what I said. (It's not my POV by the way, just the facts).  Smiley

Timothy wrote on 07/24/12 at 06:55:19:
Reasons as above.


Alright. But, can you try to explain, by yourself, why Mick,MrL and Rom are wrong and that their reasons are stupid or you're just going to say " Hey guys! I don't play this game anymore, so I don't give a shit and that's my opinion (#which is subjective for now, by the way)" ?
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