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Any player that is caught using modifications of the Wii hardware or software during time trials is barred from the Mario Kart Wii Players Page for life and all of their times are thus invalidated from our community.
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I think this needs to be our foundation.  Any problems with it voice them here!

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Other things that need to be dealt with and/or dramatically overhauled:

-proof standards
-trust systems
-etc?

I felt the need to make this thread specifically for these purposes since the other threads are too clouded with banter, spam, who's-legit, who's-not, and other shit.  This thread is dedicated particularly and only for making this website and community better.  No off-topic.  Let's rebuild this place from the ground up.

Close the site.

When starting a TT session, from the time that you start everything up on your Wii, only three ingredients allowed: game, Wii, controller. Period. Anything else = no. Not even music - that stuff can set your mood and stress levels at an advantage to those who can't change the music. If you want to listen to custom music, mute the game and play from your mp3 player or computer.

Basically, I agree with the standard in the OP.

For using custom music? They did that while it was still considered "legal", yes?

Zroyal drove his most recent rMR times without custom textures if thats what you mean. (afaik)

J-Cop wrote on 07/21/12 at 10:05:43:


There's a subtle difference - listening to your iPod or mp3 player is something any player can do. Modifying the music in the game is not something everyone can or will do. Preprogrammed custom music that repeats every run will also subconsciously influence the timing of your inputs, whereas non-game-dependent music coming from a "third party" source will tend to be more random and less "instructive" to your brain.

I think that if a player is frozen on suspicion that they are using cheats, a live stream must be shown to trustworthy members of the community.

• Wii menu must be shown on start-up
• Tracks must be played on request
• Random movements must also be made on request to show that the stream is not pre-recorded

This stream must also be delivered within a certain amount of time. If the player fails to comply, they shall be deleted from the Players' Page.

Probably the only time you'll ever see me agree with MVT.

Proof standards are probably fine tbh. No other MK site forces you to live stream in order to get a green tick or anything. In MK64 having videos is sufficient proof since most people don't have a capture card (meaning they point a camera at the tv screen and record it, making it obviously a console video), and I know myself I claim a lot of times that I don't have videos for but nobody ever questions me. So if anything, MKW has the strictest proof requirements of all the sites. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I just can't see how to make it better.

I feel like MKW is just different. The people here get greedy and feel some strange desire to cheat to get to the top, which is just wrong. And it's people like this that ruin it for the rest of us. That's one of the reasons I'd never do a live stream, because I'm not gonna let a few people that choose to cheat their way to the top ruin it for me. And now what? People that have live streamed are now being caught hacking for their times. So what's next? Does a strongly trusted person (probably an admin) have to show up at your house and watch you play live and only PR's you get in front of him count? The way you guys are going, it wouldn't surprise me. However, I'm sure everyone here can see how impractical that is.

I think the one thing that's fucked up about the site is having SC as the main ranking but yeah it's too late to change anything about that.

Timothy wrote on 07/21/12 at 15:25:24:


Please, use your brain. Especially costum textures, which can give you better hints where to align yourself...how can you the fuck think it should be legit to use it? Using any modification to change the gaming experience should be forbidden strictly. The music also has a great effect on your playing ability, even if you might not believe it. If you listen to music outwards of the game, it probably won't restart every time you restart. It's something entirely different if you have music through the game or through an other device.

Also iirc all of this was already discused and banned. I don't see why we have to state the obvious once again.

Edit: One example so also stupid people can understand it:

Just imagine custom textures weren't banned. So, I will make custom textures on a track and MARK THE OPTIMAL ROUTE WITH A RED LINE. So I'd just have to try and to hit that route, which would be much easier than guessing all the time.

If you really think that would be cool and should be legit, you're beyond my understanding.

Timothy wrote on 07/21/12 at 17:18:19:


The fuck is the problem. You see, not everyone plays through illegal homebrew channels. So not everyone can change the game to have another music; those who can have an advantage over those who can't. Because they can just implement it in the game, it will restart all the time you restart.

Those other ones can't have it that easily, they'd have to manually restart the song all the time, which makes it unfair to be used for those who cannot do it. Also not to mention, that it's hard for a human to start the music always precisely at the same moment. It's just not possible, which gives the player without music mod another disadvantage over the modded one.

This is the argument basically. If you don't agree with it, then it's your right to stop playing if this is enforced.

Timothy wrote on 07/21/12 at 17:28:18:


"It's shit anyway I don't care about an argument"

Ya go and whine somewhere else, in my eyes my argument is solid, if it's not I'd like to hear a rebuttal.

it worked already, just make a news update stating what MVT wrote

Robertvz wrote on 07/21/12 at 15:15:46:


It's not too late at all