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03/21/12 at 07:42:10
 
RRM God Time sub 2:00
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Reply #1 - 03/21/12 at 07:55:50
 
Nah 1'59"5

God's should be really hard.
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Reply #2 - 03/21/12 at 07:56:13
 
1:59.5 is not possible in any way with the current strategy.
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Reply #3 - 03/21/12 at 07:56:33
 
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Reply #4 - 03/21/12 at 07:57:17
 
Mick wrote on 03/21/12 at 07:56:33:
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Once I get a clean run it should last until or past that.
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Reply #5 - 03/21/12 at 08:22:38
 
Its way to early for Standards
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Reply #6 - 03/21/12 at 08:50:28
 
The game should have at least 1 or 1,5 years of activity to secure we have at least found out all basic strategies.
RRM will sub 2'00 before 2013, it would not surprise me if it even subs 1'59 somewhere until 2015.
Apart from that I'm sure there will be some newer strategies in the next years which boost the times even lower.
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Reply #7 - 03/21/12 at 10:56:08
 
standards Shouldnt be added for like 1.5/2yrs but CCL GD - sub 1'34  Cool

Edit - I suppose for the first 4 Months is it? that the mk7 WRs have been stronger than most other games in the series at this stage.
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Reply #8 - 03/21/12 at 11:04:34
 
Ross wrote on 03/21/12 at 10:56:08:
standards Shouldnt be added for like 1.5/2yrs but CCL GD - sub 1'34  Cool

Edit - I suppose for the first 4 Months is it? that the mk7 WRs have been stronger than most other games in the series at this stage.


I doubt you can judge that, you always think things are "maxed" just before new things get discovered.

Also I agree, standards shouldn't be made before at least 1 year has passed.
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Reply #9 - 03/21/12 at 11:24:33
 
the earlier we make standards, the more they'll be completely wrong and skew the ARR tables and be endlessly debated over being remade. So wait. It will be definitely worth it in the end.
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Reply #10 - 03/21/12 at 11:34:00
 
People can make "Self-Made-Standards" on the forums for fun and look how fast they'll get beaten, if some people need that to be motivated. But "Real" standards need their time, as Web said.
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Reply #11 - 03/21/12 at 13:10:40
 
I'd have to agree with what the others have said. God times this early are rather stupid as new strats constantly arise. Even for MKW that's still the case.
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Reply #12 - 03/22/12 at 13:32:10
 
Robertvz wrote on 03/21/12 at 13:10:40:
God times this early are rather stupid as new strats constantly arise..

This made me think... Why not just make standards up to Hero or titan and assume them to be "GOD", and then add titan, myth and god as time process and they (almost inevitably) and up being needed. It is kind of a shame that there's no standards to strive for so long. Alot of players never get to aim for standards because of this.

I suppose some would be annoyed that their standard wouldn't be maxed out anymore when/if they get updated, but I think the benefit outweighs that. GOD+ standards may look stupid, but just having Hero A being the top standard (maybe just in the beginning) sounds completely reasonable to me.


Edit: And unlike getting your standard lowered, i'm sure people would welcome their standard being strengthened if it proves to actually be really hard in the future. Technically, the action of improving some titles names may be the same as making others worse, but I think the psychological effect will be different
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Reply #13 - 03/22/12 at 13:58:24
 
^the guy has a point
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Reply #14 - 03/22/12 at 14:43:35
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 03/22/12 at 13:58:24:
^the guy has a point

I second this.
It does look awful having the default Newbie Standard there for so long.
I haven't been at the pp for the start of any other game, was it the same for Mkwii, as Newbie standard for 2 years?
I very much like the idea of holding back God, Myth and Titan/Legend, but even so I still think no standards should be introduced just yet, or at most maybe not separate the standards from A-D/E, just leave them as one whole big chunk of times, so passing into the next standard is a much more significant step to strive for.
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Reply #15 - 03/23/12 at 05:17:03
 
Hypotesis: rLR doesn't get any fucking strat improvement. BC gets much improved.
What would you do? adding ranks that are gapped by 0.05? And for BC 1 second ones? A normal player will never reach 1:43.5 @rLR, while he could easily beat BC WR if some strats got improved.
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Reply #16 - 03/23/12 at 08:03:39
 
Nosey wrote on 03/22/12 at 14:43:35:
ALAKTORN wrote on 03/22/12 at 13:58:24:
^the guy has a point

I second this.
It does look awful having the default Newbie Standard there for so long.
I haven't been at the pp for the start of any other game, was it the same for Mkwii, as Newbie standard for 2 years?
I very much like the idea of holding back God, Myth and Titan/Legend, but even so I still think no standards should be introduced just yet, or at most maybe not separate the standards from A-D/E, just leave them as one whole big chunk of times, so passing into the next standard is a much more significant step to strive for.


yh MKW had NW and nothing else for at least 1.5 yrs i think


I agree though, maybe Myth, Titan, Expert, Advanced, Intermediate and Newbie should be added round about halfway through this year and gradually add more.
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Reply #17 - 03/23/12 at 08:16:30
 
Zwiebel wrote on 03/21/12 at 11:34:00:
People can make "Self-Made-Standards" on the forums for fun and look how fast they'll get beaten, if some people need that to be motivated. But "Real" standards need their time, as Web said.


Shouldn't that be enough? You'd have something to aim to but they're just not on the main site. Smiley
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Reply #18 - 03/23/12 at 09:31:39
 
Zwiebel wrote on 03/23/12 at 08:16:30:
Zwiebel wrote on 03/21/12 at 11:34:00:
People can make "Self-Made-Standards" on the forums for fun and look how fast they'll get beaten, if some people need that to be motivated. But "Real" standards need their time, as Web said.


Shouldn't that be enough? You'd have something to aim to but they're just not on the main site. Smiley

I don’t think I would care about “self made standards” and the point is kind of to remove “NW” everywhere from the site which looks bad
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Reply #19 - 03/23/12 at 09:39:52
 
ShitoRyu wrote on 03/23/12 at 05:17:03:
Hypotesis: rLR doesn't get any fucking strat improvement. BC gets much improved.
What would you do? adding ranks that are gapped by 0.05? And for BC 1 second ones? A normal player will never reach 1:43.5 @rLR, while he could easily beat BC WR if some strats got improved.

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Edit: And unlike getting your standard lowered, i'm sure people would welcome their standard being strengthened if it proves to actually be really hard in the future. Technically, the action of improving some titles names may be the same as making others worse, but I think the psychological effect will be different

I did not rule out that a standard could simply upgraded, only that no standards should be downgraded. rLR Hero A could simply become Titan A, myth A or even GOD later on, if the original standard actually proves to be that good relative to other standards.

The gaps should naturally be smaller on the easier tracks as well though.
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Reply #20 - 03/24/12 at 02:20:52
 
Why not making "prelim standards" and making proper ones in 2014 when tons of new strats will be released?
This would satisfy most ppl for now and if everyone knows that there are gonna be new standards in 2014 ppl won't complain about losing their "standards rank" because nobody ever said that they are gonna be remade because they might be too weak for the future.
For now times like 1:19 TC 1:59 RRM 1:37 RR 1:36 MG seem to be great GODs but we might think differently in the future due to new strats or maybe even major discoveries that make those times laughable weak for the better players.
And we NEVER should think the gods are too strong because everyone can see what happened to the previous games some of the GODS are destroyed by nearly 2 seconds in MKW even without glitches which is definitly not as it should be.
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Reply #21 - 03/26/12 at 23:27:12
 
stelzig wrote on 03/22/12 at 13:32:10:
Robertvz wrote on 03/21/12 at 13:10:40:
God times this early are rather stupid as new strats constantly arise..

This made me think... Why not just make standards up to Hero or titan and assume them to be "GOD", and then add titan, myth and god as time process and they (almost inevitably) and up being needed. It is kind of a shame that there's no standards to strive for so long. Alot of players never get to aim for standards because of this.

That's basically what happened with standards when they were born in Mario Kart 64. Initially there was no Legend layer, it got added between King layer and God because people was starting to reach God times quite easily...
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Reply #22 - 04/12/12 at 11:03:30
 
When will standards be up?
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Reply #23 - 04/12/12 at 11:11:23
 
Fall of this year at the earliest I would say, and even that's too early.
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