I can picture it now:

"Wow, this is a great run, hope I don't mess it up."
"Crap, I forgot about that Wiggler!"
*glitches through Wiggler*
"WTH!? O_O"
"Hey, sweet, I can finish this run! "
"...Oh, but it won't count because the Wiggler glitch is banned. "

I can understand why this might be frustrating to those who have a fast time without it, but I think banning such a small glitch that can happen even by accident is going a bit too far. It can be timesaving in Mario Kart Wii as well, you know (possibly even at WR level, because of the second Wiggler), but it's not banned there.

If wiggler was banned I'd imagine we'd have to take a hard look at mysterious glider boosts as well.  I think due to the uncontrollable nature of both of these events happening (often not on purpose), we should leave them alone as allowable.  Whereas lakitu glitches are intentional and easily avoidable.  Going through a wiggler or getting a strange glider boost may just happen in average runs without intention.

Mick wrote on 01/13/12 at 01:44:35:

I've glitched through Wigglers completely by accident in MKWii, so I don't believe for one second that it couldn't happen by accident in MK7. In fact, when it does happen, it's usually just that--a lucky accident. You should have failed by crashing into the Wiggler, but instead, you get to continue on. It usually happens with the same Wiggler as in the video, because you often don't see it as you come out of the sharp turn, which leads to a crash if you forget that it's there at a particular time.


I don't know where you get the idea that it's banned in MKWii--there aren't even any NonSC charts for Maple Treeway in that game. As far as I know, it's never been discussed in detail because (in MKWii, at least) it's a rare occurence that isn't even very beneficial at high-level play. (A little faster than the current WR pace, and you wouldn't have to deal with them at all.) There, at most, it might turn a failed run into an average one, at the cost of ruining the replay with ghost desyncing.

[Sarkasm]Mini-Boosts are uncontrollable and should be considered Glitch.[/sarkasm]

You can't be serious when you try to compare normal Cuts like MG or RIW or even DDJ with this. You just drive or fly over the track, not THROUGH it.

You can't ban all luck-based things in MK. That's ridiculous and stupid. Well, if you get lucky on the RIW cut, it's not lucky but actually skilled that you hit a good point to get a good line.


I'm not saying allow or disallow the wiggler, it's kind of an "in-between" which has to be figured out. But please, everyone who wants to ban MG, DDJ or RIW sc and wants to call them Glitch is pretty retarded imo.

I don't think it should be banned.
Someone made a comparison with KD's train on MK64, when I first saw someone go through the train I was speechless. This seems to be exactly the same thing, it just needs such a high degree of accuracy that it seems luck based.
And I think it was actually intended by the developers.

Nosey wrote on 01/13/12 at 05:33:08:


This might be the most moronic thing I've ever heard.

Stupid and unintentional? Sure. People would  argue that MKW is stupid, should MKW be banned?  Saying something is unintentional is another matter. For all you know someone could try and succeed at going through the wiggler. Unintentional is doing something on accident.

Luck-based...lots of things in games seem "random". I really don't think anything is. If you hit a certain jump at a specific angle and spot every single time the same effect will occur. Should luck wheelies be banned in MKW? (Yes I know they aren't technically luck based, but neither is this). Reason I know this is because in a ghost replay the game keeps track of  every single button input, every control stick angle, everything. Then it just plays the same inputs and you get a ghost replay. If something like this was truly actually "random" then sometimes on a replay you wouldn't go through the wiggler, or you wouldn't get that luck wheelie or low jump on the final TF ramp.

Also  it's not like the glitch saves a shitload of time. On Kalimari Desert (for the N64), if you use  1-1-1 shroom strategy and you are at WR level of driving then the first train on lap 3 will be in your way. For this reason most pros use 1-0-2 so they can duck right behind the train. This is at least 0.1 slower, maybe 0.2. However it is possible to drive between the wheels of the train. This makes 1-1-1 possible by driving through the train on lap 3. I'm not sure exactly on how this glitch works but it seems like he drives in between the legs somewhere. Sort of like how you can drive through the train wheels if you aim at the perfect spot. Sounds like to me that all he did was go through two spots where collision data is. I  think this was  designed rather than truly "glitching" through the wiggler.

I just think you all will repent your decision in 2-3 months, when you all will have a low 2:21 / high 2:20 and you'll cry all the day cuz you can't do this "AT".

Nosey wrote on 01/13/12 at 05:33:08:


That seems to be a very very common trend with you (I vividly recall you recently posting on a particular issue that you were "sure everyone would agree with" what you said).  

You continue to be shocked that your opinions fall in the minority and sometimes as complete outliers.  I'm so sick of your arrogant, self-righteous attitude.  It's especially bothersome considering you really haven't been around kart for very long and half the time you don't have a clue what you are ranting and raving about.

It might have made you laugh, but it's a common trend with you as I said and I can pull several posts from your recent ones that spell out this premise.

Your whole argument relies on things that have already been addressed in past kart games and decided on.

The only thing that really made me laugh so far is you saying that because something is "luck-based" that is grounds enough to ban it from the PP.  Thank you for the hilarium.

How can you ban such a thing, it's part of the game.

Though is it Luck, Skill or do you always go under it without getting hit ?

and banned or not, the difference wouldn't be that great. and How would you control every single time if it was Wigglered or not ?

Alex PetitSuisse Hantson wrote on 01/13/12 at 10:03:57:

that’s a pretty weak argument

luck, apparently

you can’t control if people use the MW glitch and submit to non glitch either, this site is mostly trust based

@Brett: luck doesn’t equate randomness, randomness is by definition impossible to program, that doesn’t mean that you can’t be lucky while playing a game

Dused wrote on 01/13/12 at 10:31:23:


They actually patched things in MK7?

(So far that's two votes taken away from No and put into Yes)

I'm actually pretty sure they were aware of this gap cut. In one of the trailers EVERYONE noticed that it'll be possible in MK7, too.  
Anyway, this topic is about rMT and not rMG.