No you're not T. If you continue on the same path as now I have a feeling it will be fine in the end, though I can only speak for myself of course.

Tom, when will you understand I agree all current Terrence times are proven ? That's not my problem about him...

Btw, when I'll fell like playing MKSC again (it can arrive earlier than expected, as I'm currently very close to 4th place ^^), indeed I'll be back.

You should focus on those games where the community are more forgiving. Mk64 for example.

Some players don't need luck. Just an ironing board

Pierre... when you pass me... believe me. I will come back with the force of 13298137237238921238 suns... and not only defending my 4th rank... also becoming german champ... aka WORLD champ... ...... yeah.

EDIT: you are already 4th

Ok, that was a joke; I can't even comeback with a fucked GBA xD

If progress reports is a stipulation for his readmittance, one could easily argue it would certainly be a good one to fulfill in order to achieve what is granted by doing so.

I understand what you mean, and what type of control that is to be imposed from the community is debatable; I personally think this to be sufficiently decent of a proposal that is not very controlling overall. The ball is in Fenner's court. Whatever he plays, he reports for later documentation or required reproduction. It is very controlling in that he is more or less required to record everything he claims, but this has to some extent always been the case for his times, so I suspect Terrence is (hopefully) not in shock over it. (Certainly says something for what he has been willing to do without protesting one bit. This, I feel has not been satisfactorily acknowledged in this our current "solution".)  What bothers me about this recent decision is that fully proving the times wasn't enough when it was already in place and his timeset was well documented, to the very-near highest degree we could reasonably ask from a proof point of view.

I am also personally not confident a lot of people will change their minds about Terrence when the decisive moment arrives. We already know some people will not be able to accept his being on the site at all.
A change is much more difficult to introduce after such a long period of time (1 year), as people may be or come to be of the opinion that a sort of optimum has been reached, and that letting him back on would not constitute enough of an improvement. "It's so great now already, why should we bother with this now that we are happy and prosperous anyway." This I fear will cause some stagnation on the matter and have it wilt away into nothingness.

This is why I would prefer a list of fixed conditions applied throughout the year coupled with compliance and good behaviour (makes it sound like he's some kind of criminal.. ) for his return, as opposed to a revote one year from now.

Andreas

Yes, that's what I wrote. How concisely I expressed it is another matter.

Terrence doesn't have to do anything. He could just leave, do nothing and take with him the chances of ever (re)appearing on the site. Since one of his conditions for being able to return is that of providing content reports to the site administration, and his compliance is not mandatory (however necessary to achieve the outcome of following the guidelines.) it is up to him to decide whether he wants to meet the requirements. But he cannot expect to be part of the site without cooperating in that regard.
This, I feel to be in order dealwise, given the argument for his being banned.

I have come to understand this particular point is not very negotiable, as a product of his cheating which is much of the basis for this entire matter.

Should he focus on smk? no cheaters there right?

Tom1 wrote on 12/11/11 at 10:01:12:

I'm not cheating on SMK. In fact, i did a few videos of me playing SMK from 2008-09:
mc4 nonnbt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex2i6yS9ofk
2009 timescroll (after mc4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeC0a9gphJ8
ci1 nonnbt opener - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4C7DIpH6LA
dp1 nbt plus timescroll - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OdV8JPJbCk
I even did some live vids
dp2 nonnbt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iut6tCXvxOY
ci1 nonnbt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbS9i4hv4e0
dp2 opener nbt - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLcv-x3oPs4
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Sooner, i'll probably do a live stream on SMK...

So;

1) mario86
2) neo
3) Karel
4) Kartseven
5) Karterfreak
6) Etch (assumed by Karel)
7) Fried

that still leaves 5.

Still dont get it though.. how most of the people on that list agree that his times are proven, yet those aren't allowed to stay on the main site at all. Lets go to another page to get the wr's  

his current time sheet is proven, so it should stand.

His times should be on the site under a different name, future times banned until faith in fenner is restored.

Anyway, i suppose we now wait for all of prs from the players who wouldn't submit while fenner was on the site.

Oh, come on.

Stop asking about those damn 2007 awards. You CHEATED to get them, remember? You don't deserve them, and you will never get them back.

Wait, we keep him on the past champion page, acknowledging the fact that he was first on the site during that period, yet we get rid of his awards? That's not coherent.