What's up with you constantly trolling fenner? We all know that fenner is the best, and if you didn't want to count him, then seb still would be nowhere near hirano and su in terms of skill. Tbh, your behavior is quite sickening as you never seem content. You whined, bitched and blackmailed fenner off the site, yet you still insult him even after you've had your way. Tbh it's sad that April even bothered removing him for garbage players like yourself.

Which of his era do you think is not legit?

You did watch the streams right?

One last thing: what's wrong with me asking for my timesheet to appear again now that Fenner is gone? Seems that Neo and Karel asked the same thing a bit earlier and nobody answered to them this way.

Dear Clarky, the way you criticize my argumentation is much more acceptable that some of the criticism and even attacks I had to face in that story.

I admit there is some contradiction when I say "he may be the best, but I still think he's a cheater". I made mistakes at the beginning of my SMK career when I was young, behaving like a true pain in the ass at my first CDF in 2004 (Harold could talk about it better than me) and I know that everyone can change or improve himself into a better person someday. The thing is, I had disappeared from that MKSC community because I didn't want to compete on a game where I didn't appreciate and personally recognize the "best player" as current world champion. I also admit that I found Fenner funny sometimes too, but he also put me on my nerves so much by constantly flooding every section of the MB and especially the SMK one with useless videos, then discovering he was still cheating on some other games really made him losing all kind of credibility and trust in my eyes, especially because I still find it hard to trust "live videos" from someone who may be able to fake them anyway.

I really don't like that guy and I'm not hiding that, but it's just because I'm here to share the passion of a game, of competition and records, and recidivist cheaters shouldn't be part of it when they have wasted so many chances of rehabilitation.

This said, cheater or not cheater in his last MKSC months, I'm insisting on the fact he's showing much less respect towards the whole MK community that I ever showed towards him, and I don't think a discreet previous MKSC #50 like me is the most important reason of his removal. Many people asked for it and I'd appreciate not to be automatically associated to the "loss of a wonderful champion" and called a racist, or a blackmailer, or a "garbage player". I won't claim to be the cleanest and nicest of all karters in the world but I'm highly ranked enough on one of the MK sites to know what it means to respect the whole community and the players who deserve it, and I also hope it's still allowed to fight against cheaters when you have the opportunity to do it. This opportunity was given to us a few times by April and other people from the MKSC staff to make decisions about Fenner, I used it, that's all. I just hope that my radical position will not prevent me from joining this site again because MKSC is my second favourite Mario Kart and I would really and sincerely like to see it ruled and active as my favourite one (SMK) is for years.

Time to go to bed, have a nice night everyone.

Don't take it personally April, my message was aiming at the people blaming me for asking for this comeback and its reasons, but not at the people in charge of the Players' Page. Take all the time you need, there is no urgence, even if this will make me play more when I can check again easily where my PRs are ranked. ^^

The poll was worded wrongly. It shouldve been do you trust his current time sheet and videos yes or no. Then it would've been 95% yes and his time sheet as is could've stayed up which wouldve meant he was number one.

Some more messages from Fenner came to the Yahoo Groups:

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http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/mariokart7/message/1440

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/mariokart7/message/1373

Should I just delete these messages without posting them here from now on? I think we have enough evidence that Fenner mentally hasn't changed a bit since 2007.

I more or less 100% agree with Karel. I didn't want polls or streams just to know if Terrence has skills, but to know if he could be truthful. Unfortunately, he cheated at MKDS while he was trying to prove himself at MKSC... No, Terrence wasn't ready to be a member of the Players' Page again.

I can understand the guys who defend Terrence. But... how many of them were already here between 2003 and 2008 ? How many of them know the complete story ?

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The pragmatics? His current time sheet was proven. We should've just kept those times.

Also.. Masses of activity since he was removed... Clearly he wa the reason for the lack of activity (an untrusted site champ) not just a lack of high level play apart from Andy and flo. Who were already still pr'ing. /sarcasm

You can criticise fenne for his reaction to the yahoo group but frankly I'm not surprised after what "you" did. "you" being anyone who voted him off.

It's a bit funny how they act as if a large amount of the community voted him off or something. Out of ~150 people on the MKSC website, how many voted him off? How many were even part of the website when he was voted off *coughKVDNeoMariocough*?

Basically what happened was a few of the "big rigs" pretty much spoke for a community of people that they barely even know. I highly doubt that it would have been a "50/50" incident if the entire community voted and was informed that he is by far the most proven player on the MKSC website and happily met the stream requirements until his DS broke.

Whatever. He has a right to be pissed off (though I agree that he is overreacting a bit), as he was promised back on, met all of our requirements and then was kicked off and had all of his effort wasted, primarily due to a few people who don't really even play the game, and some weren't even on the site (KVD, Mario86, Neo, and (to an extent) Fried), wanted him off the site. Hell, after his DS broke, Fried made an IRC post that was like "he hasn't streamed since [insert date here] has he? This may be able to warrant his removal". Seriously, what the fuck?

That aside, sad to see the champ gone.

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When was he promised a spot on the site, not to be questioned for at least a long while? And when did he cheat on 21 of his times in MKDS to CS?

If he was promised a spot on the site before he sent the 21 times, then he broke our trust. If we can't trust him to not try to find a way to cheat and get away with it, then he shouldn't be able to trust our word either to keep him on the site.

If he was promised a spot on the site after the 21 times were sent in, then I think that promise should never have been made.

Either way, we found emulator software on Fenner's computer, if I recall correctly. Further, he did get inconsistent with his live streams, and even when he played live with me he did get great times yes, but that could just make him an even harder to catch cheater.

That's why I think Fenner's times should be saved and not forgotten; he should, however, I think stay off the site for a good while to come. His messages to the Yahoo Groups seem to only reinforce the message that his mentality hasn't changed since 2007 too.

I would really like to just settle with this issue and move on.

And yes, I think the site should be less flexible with the addition and removal of times to be honest. I don't like how removing times became a sort of blackmail, and now it's as if nothing happened. I definitely like the better representation in the AF, so I'm not really against adding people back, but I would prefer not to run into that mess again.

Your profile has your name and personal times attached to it, therefore your profile is your 'intellectual property', in lack of a better word. If you feel that the website that you are a part of is no longer functioning in a way that you find acceptable, you should be able to ask for removal without consequences. It makes no sense to punish that with restrictions upon wanting to rejoin at a later point (if policies have changed to a more acceptable situation for example), as it makes no sense to punish when there is no crime.*

Otherwise I completely agree with what Andy wrote.

@ Mario, don't pay attention to MVT, because no matter what you do: haters are gonna hate.  



*Also, for the love of god don't go cheesy on me saying Terrence didn't commit 'crime' either, as he is a recalcitrant offender and even cheated on an MK ranking during his rehabilitation period less than 1 year ago.