And lastly, due to outspokenness about the decision to allow Terrance Fenner back on the site, I took a private message vote from the community so that everyone that felt strongly one way or the other could express their opinions and vote on whether or not to keep Fenner on the site. 22 people voted -- 10 wanted Fenner to remain on the site, while 12 wanted him removed and another solution implemented.

From reading everyone's insights on the issue, there is no doubt that Fenner is very talented and it is very likely that his current timesheet is legitimate. However, many people who have concerns about Fenner are not necessarily as concerned about his current timesheet as they are of his history of cheating and the possibility that it may happen again.

As many of you know, Fenner was put through a rigorous proof requirement before being allowed back on the site last summer. However, there was a concern with some MKDS times on Cyberscore, and some details of his interview with Andy Lundeen that left some karters shaky about his return to the site, and after Tom stepped down, the issue with Fenner came back up, and I chose to reconsider the decision, but to allow the community a vote.

My conclusion after reading all of the votes, previous posts, and after conversations with many people regarding this issue is that the decision to allow Fenner to return was premature. I do not believe that Fenner deserves a permanent ban from the site at this time because he has complied with requests from both Tom and myself, and there have not been any issues with cheating on this site since he was allowed to return. However, with what happened on Cyberscore and the interview (among other things), the majority of this community is not ready to accept Fenner back.

Michael Fried has created a page on wrvids.com with Fenner's times that will be updated in lieu of his presence on the main site. I encourage Fenner to remain active in the MK community and to continue to post on the message board and keep his page active with new times.

At this time, he will be given until December 1st of next year before this issue will be looked into again. To be allowed to return to the site at all, he must:

1) have absolutely no incidences of cheating or possible cheating on any known site. This includes not only the MK Players' Pages, but Cyberscore or any other website.
2) post videos for all times included on the WRVids page.
3) continue to do livestreaming as often as possible (mandatory once a month unless he contacts me).

Any violations of any of those means he will never be allowed to have times on the MKSC site again.

If he complies, next December another vote will be taken for possible inclusion on the site again -- compliance does not guarantee his return to the site.

We strive to keep the best times on the site. That being said, we also must ensure that each time is trusted, and although this was a very difficult decision to make, for now, according to your votes and insights, this appears to the best temporary solution to the Fenner situation.

If you have questions/concerns/problems regarding this, send me a PM and we'll chat about it. One topic will also be created for the Fenner decision on the MB -- any public discussion needs to be kept to that thread.

Unfortunately, I was too swamped with work to have time to properly formulate and cast a vote, but I can see by the results that it would not have had any decisive impact.

3) continue to do livestreaming as often as possible (mandatory once a month unless he contacts me).

Am I correct in thinking this should apply on an at least monthly basis for as long as Terrence is playing and setting records (WRs or otherwise) for inclusion on the site?
Or does it apply even during stretches of inactivity longer than a month's time? i.e. If Terrence is not playing for a month, is he still required to provide streamable to content as a demonstration of authenticity for this time frame, and at recurring intervals as per stipulation for additional non-active time?  
This was not expressedly specified, and I feel by way of clarity, it should be.


Thank You for your time and effort

Andreas

If he complies, next December another vote will be taken for possible inclusion on the site again -- compliance does not guarantee his return to the site.

This means that we have taken a step backward, and simply have pushed back the issue for another year.

Still, I have hope for this community, and believe that, in a year time, most people will have changed their opinion and will accept Fenner back.

That makes you a hypocrite in my book.

Vorsch wrote on 12/09/11 at 01:03:38:


I think that quote proves you're approaching this situation from the wrong angle. Do you think this is a test for the community to somehow form the "correct" opinion on the Fenner case?

No, I'd say this is much more about Fenner establishing trust and reassuring us that he has changed his mindset (in regards to cheating). This takes longer than a few weeks, especially in the case of repeated and recent offence.

Wise decision but way too light IMO, and of course it comes much too late. Too many damage happened to that MK section since the stupid decision of allowing Fenner back was made.

Permban is irrelevant as for all intensive purposes he is not being recognised on the site and charts.