Mario Kart MB - Course Strategy and Discussion (+ General Tips)

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Reply #751 - 07/12/12 at 08:46:05

I don't know that is the problem. Is extremely easy to check if small hitboxes can take turns with walls more easy or not:

- Use Metal Mario + B Dasher + Slick + Flower Glider (to say something). Select Luigi Raceway. Begin with a full starboost and only press A. Watch how many hits the wall Metal Mario. Also, finish the lap and note the time and the number of crashes in the FIRST wall. Make this process two or three times.

If you obtained the same split every time, this game could be good. Go on follow step. If you obtained different splits, this game is shit and very random.

- Same process with Bowser, other two or three times. If you obtained the same splits all the time, but different than Metal Mario, hitboxes hits the wall differently. If also Bowser hits the first wall LESS times than Metal Mario, then smaller hitboxes can take the turns with walls tighter, because it implies that Bowser is repelled SOONER by the wall and he needs run more distance to crash the wall again.

If this study results, then try the same with Honey Queen or Wario. You should obtain the same results as Bowser. If all the characters obtain the same result, hitboxes are the same in order to hit the walls. So both hitboxes could pass near the wall the same way.

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Fant0m Myth Offline aka Flo 5942 sex records Paris / France Gender:	Re: Course Strategy and Discussion (+ General Tips Reply #752 - 07/12/12 at 09:16:47 I understood very well what you meant and I think it's a very good idea. Go for this Alak. I know you love making random tests!
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ALAKTORN Myth Offline Resident weeaboo punched 6518 kiddies Italy - Viserba Gender:	Re: Course Strategy and Discussion (+ General Tips Reply #753 - 07/12/12 at 09:29:27 you can finish a lap of LR by just pressing A? O_o sounds like it would take long, though that wouldn’t really prove much about hitboxes in a TTing setting, but it’s still a curious test to run and I hope someone will (maybe I will)
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Reply #754 - 07/12/12 at 14:24:52

i tested this with bumble v and monsters (just to finish the lap faster) and the number of times i hit the wall with MM was the exact same as Bowser every time (14 times).

surprisingly, they both also hit the wall at the exact same place (i figured this because the bounces were the same and they were both just a hair away from hitting the wall a 15th time before the wall ended and the side turned to offroad).

so i guess this would mean MM and Bowser would be the same on corners...?

oh, and i also got the same lap time with MM all 3 times i tested, so that's good.

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Reply #756 - 07/12/12 at 17:25:38

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/12/12 at 14:34:50:

so… you even got the same lap time with Bowser?

that’s a surprising result, but doesn’t really mean anything as far as TTing goes, like I said before

no, i got an entirely different lap time with bowser, but that's only because his bigger hitbox made him clip a tree and redirect him, i'm sure they would be the same though if that hadn't happened.

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Reply #758 - 07/13/12 at 05:14:02

tried Wario, 1′11″744, not sure if the split is the same (might be slightly different due to combo), but the amount of hits and etc. explained by Mish matched with him, this doesn’t really prove that Wario has the same hitbox as Bowser but I feel like laughing at everyone using him anyway Smiley

gonna keep do a little more tests, my guess is that if you only press A the resulting split will be the same for MM and WR/etc. as long as the bigger hitbox doesn’t change the path, so I’m gonna test a different combo which hopefully gets the same path with both characters to see if the split is the same or not

MM/WR + Bumble V + Wood + PG = completely different Smiley

this doesn’t make sense :/ MM hit the first wall 1 time more than WR, I’m gonna test Monster with MM and see if it really hits the wall the same as WR… / ok MM/WR+BV+M+PG get completely different results, wtf was Mish going on about? (14 hits WR, 13 MM) / tested all other categories of gliders (SG, FG) but still only 13 hits with MM

differet test: I tried using a shroom, and the results ended up completely different between each other! this is curious

what’s a track where you can go full speed into the finish line? I want to try hopping into it if it changes anything / tried on TC, WR+BV+M+PG = 1′35″285 both with hopping and without (hopping on the small grass patch at the end twice saved me ″005 though); hopping at the beginning on the metal thing changed everything though Smiley

now I’m gonna test how much a non-perfect startboost loses (if possible) / nope, not possible

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Reply #762 - 07/13/12 at 09:47:32

DC new strats (compared to Cole at least) in my 1′27″393 PR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeZZesjIwOo

1. staying a lot tighter at the first MT, and doing continuos hops to keep the alignment
2. different shroomstrat, no idea what’s better
3. releasing the MT out of the tables room much earlier, and going around the turns much better as a result, I missed the SMT all 3 laps here but it’s possible to do; I think this is faster but even if it’s not it’s really close and certainly much easier to do
4. SSMT before finish line

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Reply #763 - 07/13/12 at 10:22:30

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/13/12 at 05:14:02:

tried Wario, 1′11″744, not sure if the split is the same (might be slightly different due to combo), but the amount of hits and etc. explained by Mish matched with him, this doesn’t really prove that Wario has the same hitbox as Bowser but I feel like laughing at everyone using him anyway Smiley

gonna keep do a little more tests, my guess is that if you only press A the resulting split will be the same for MM and WR/etc. as long as the bigger hitbox doesn’t change the path, so I’m gonna test a different combo which hopefully gets the same path with both characters to see if the split is the same or not

MM/WR + Bumble V + Wood + PG = completely different Smiley

this doesn’t make sense :/ MM hit the first wall 1 time more than WR, I’m gonna test Monster with MM and see if it really hits the wall the same as WR… / ok MM/WR+BV+M+PG get completely different results, wtf was Mish going on about? (14 hits WR, 13 MM) / tested all other categories of gliders (SG, FG) but still only 13 hits with MM

i got 1"11'744 with Bowser on the lap, same as you using Wario, so those two must be the same and i'm assuming it's the same with the Honey Queen as well. i don't know how you got 13 hits with MM, that is wierd.

i'll test again next time i go on, maybe this game is just fucked up. Undecided

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ShitoRyu Elite Offline hit 4906 moles Italy Gender:	Re: Course Strategy and Discussion (+ General Tips Reply #764 - 07/13/12 at 10:46:32 For DC, at 0:36 of your vid, you do 2 MTs to the right (like everyone). Last time I played the track (months ago) I was able to keep a SMT and looked a bit faster, but maybe I was just bad at it or I don't remember very well. A trial would be appreciated though.
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Reply #766 - 07/15/12 at 00:50:50

i'm playing bowser castle (new one) with a bunch of friends on another site. We're competing on tt etc. I've got down to 1'08 low. Im not doing the start boost thing and i'm not going on the inside of the lava. The lava thing looks better for me to try, how do i do it? And where is the optimal shroom spot and why is the "sc" so slow? It looks visibly like it should be quicker but just mt'ing the normal way seems to be as quick..

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Reply #767 - 07/15/12 at 02:04:43

well, you beat the WR by 51 seconds, grats

anyway the lava cut is impossible and you shouldn’t try it. the optimal shroom is visible in any TT vid, it’s either on top of the rolling barrel or inside of it depending what path you take in the split road. the “SC” is slower probably because you get a shitty landing, if it were a shorter distance it’d be faster

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Reply #769 - 07/15/12 at 04:55:52

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/13/12 at 09:47:32:

DC new strats (compared to Cole at least) in my 1′27″393 PR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeZZesjIwOo

~~1. staying a lot tighter at the first MT, and doing continuos hops to keep the alignment~~
2. different shroomstrat, no idea what’s better
3. releasing the MT out of the tables room much earlier, and going around the turns much better as a result, I missed the SMT all 3 laps here but it’s possible to do; I think this is faster but even if it’s not it’s really close and certainly much easier to do
4. SSMT before finish line

this is slower

edit: maybe it’s faster lap 2/3, but not 1st

edit2: ticking is faster

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Reply #771 - 07/18/12 at 04:07:11

ShitoRyu wrote on 07/12/12 at 07:41:14:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1859/turns.png

Don't you like the way I think? Get the fuck out, ignorants.
Feel like shitstorm is incoming anyway.

as weird as it sounds, I think kart hitboxes are circles

unless someone has a different explanation as to why if you go next to a coin and AB spin 360° around you won’t hit it no matter what

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Reply #772 - 07/18/12 at 04:51:37

ALAKTORN wrote on 07/18/12 at 04:07:11:

ShitoRyu wrote on 07/12/12 at 07:41:14:

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1859/turns.png

Don't you like the way I think? Get the fuck out, ignorants.
Feel like shitstorm is incoming anyway.

as weird as it sounds, I think kart hitboxes are circles

unless someone has a different explanation as to why if you go next to a coin and AB spin 360° around you won’t hit it no matter what

That's true, you can do the same while having a wall to your left/right, and the spin doesn't push you away from the wall.

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