I already spoke with Pierre, but I don't know if he allows me to use everything in public, but what I can say is that he still has the conversation with Flo about his wrong times and he'll translate it since it's in French. Also he sent me screenshots of his discussion with Termo about the issue. Times of Flo which were wrong:

All times were from around February 14th 2009 (!)

(hidden for now again)

That's 7/40, flaps are not counted. All of them were false times. Typos? I doubt,

July 4th 2010 (!), he still has 5 wrong times on the site. (Can't exactly say which ones though, sorry). That's all info I got until now.

Also, other people with wrong times:

Andrew Math (Pierre didn't mention how much)
Aaron Schwartz 8! false times
Michael Pilkington (only PC, could be typo)
Clement Duchene (2 false times)
Alvaro Fababu (3 false times)

That's it for now. I think most people know by now that some times are just impossible to achieve, I personally don't know how to spot it but Pierre (and not only him) do know how to spot it, so I can't help with the exact wrong times, that would Pierre have to do.

You should not keep public all Flo's wrong times here, to keep secret as much as possible, which times are true or false.

About Andrew Math... did you see his profile before saying I didn't mention how much ?

Most people need a calculator to do the test to determine if the time is possible.

I never thought Flo cheated either, but it’s impossible to have that many typos, and his reaction to the problem is that of a cheater

he’s not even replying anymore, just running away, hiding, hoping everything gets forgotten

SC times don’t mean anything, Pierre said his were impossible, not “maybe SC”

hahaae wrote on 11/14/11 at 21:25:52:


He had 7/40 at some point, and some of them were on non-sc tracks. I think that I remember that the proportion of impossible times is around 30%, which means he potentially had around 20/40 wrong times. That's definitely a lot of typos.

Lol @ Andrew Math xD

Why is this player still on database? http://www.mariokart64.com/mksc/profile.php?pid=131

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/14/11 at 21:57:30:



Old cartridges have been known to give out "impossible" times before (see SMK).

@Pierre: You can't really create a proportion guessing at how many "fake" times a player can have. If a player had 2 times and one of them was a typo, creating a "fake" time, then you couldn't just say "1/2 of his submitted times were fake, so that means that he could have 40/80 faked times!"

As a competitor with Florian I can tell you that he is definitely not a cheater, and that he most-likely thought that he got a time when the timer said something maybe "01 or so different, and, as he is a SC player, he wouldn't have that time to refer back to in his top5, so he would have to rely on his memory as best He could. This happened to me back around half a year ago on RR 3lap when I thought I had a time of 0'36"68 or so and the timer actually turned out to be something like 0'36"63.

I can understand why he would be hesitant to cooperate as well; if he truly believed that he had set the time when Pierre brought it up to him, I highly doubt most players would just attempt to start over and re-beat a hard-earned PR. It's a very tedious task that many people don't find fun at all. I personally think that the PP rules is the stupidest piece-of-shit out there, seeing as I'm a SC player and I'm not going to waste my time attempting stupid shit like YD flap because I accidentally bounced over an unnoticable part of the wall at a corner.

You can ask just about any SC player; we all share the same mentality. If you bring up PP rules to people like Mander or Su, they'll just laugh and say they have better things to do than follow someone's set rules about how they can race, so it's completely understandable that a SC player would simply ignore requests to re-beat their PR's on a site that has easy-ass competition.

(Not hating on the PP, just attempting to see into the mind of the better SC players)

There's a difference between having to rely on memory and being able to write stuff down. If you play sc and want to be on the site, then it should not be too much to write new PRs down immediately. Is that so hard? And even if it was like that, I refuse to believe that anyone would react like Flo. Look, he could just say he is sorry and explain himself. He does nothing.

And a "personal feeling" about someone can not be used for any proof of any person. Just because you have spoken with him and find him alright that does not verify concrete proof. If it was like that, I could just give anyone a green tick I know.

Another thing, if you do not want to waste your time with our rules, then it is your right not to compete with us, but if you want to be on the site, then you have to care about the rules and not just overgo some because you think they're stupid or something. I personally can understand any rule that was made. I had never problems with the rules on any track.

I mean, after your logic, why waste so much time on a track that you can glitch in like 0"03 with finish line glitch? Fuck yeah let's all play that!

If you want to whine about the rules, go somewhere else. I can see why you want to help Flo, but he has to speak for himself on the issue and clear things up. As long as he does not, I PERSONALLY consider him a cheater. Look, I know Flo, and I actually can't really imagine he is a cheater, that's why I'm basically begging him to clear shit, because how it looks now he is a cheater and even if I say I can't imagine him to be a cheater, I think he is one until he finally speaks up.

Every of this shit I wrote is my personal opinion, I  am not speaking for the staff.

@Timur: Florian isn't the best at expressing his reasons at times, so I'm attempting to help you understand why is (likely) did the actions that he did when questioned this year.


Again, Florian said that he no longer had MKSC, and that the data was cleared regardless. There really isn't much "convience" to this, as I've had similar things happen before. It's just bad luck. To Florian, completely removing his times may have just been the simpler option to him; maybe he just didn't want to not have a full timesheet or anything. If he doesn't have much time to play MKSC anymore, then it's understandable that he wouldn't want to be bothered with it again until he could play it (he said he would get it on the 3DS e-Shop). Not exactly suspicious behavior so much as unfortunate circumstances and a simple misunderstanding.

As someone stated above (forgot who it was, sorry), he isn't on the site anymore so it really isn't a problem here. If he's legit and wants to come back, he will do so when he has more time to buy/play MKSC. Timur used unnecessary harshness in this whole recent thing despite what/why he says about it. Simply because someone may have a few times that are impossible (99% chance it was just human error when typing them) doesn't mean that you have to be an absolute douchebag to them, and it's not on just this section.

Being someone who doesn't actually have anything against Flo, I feel I should perhaps put my opinion in here.

The average person that makes typo's will have 1-3 inaccurate times at most. Flo from my understanding has more than double that from what I understand from the second post. That would make almost anyone suspicious of him.

@ April: Send me a message on MSN. I have a list of inaccurate times for you for every single player that's on the AF charts. Not posting it where public can read.