I don't understand the problem if Fenner live streams every pr he gets.

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Where do I go with this? ... I think I'm just going to say what I think. It sure as hell won't be nice, but at this point, this whole thing is getting ridiculous. I also think at this point it's absolutely pointless to respond to any of the last page worth of posts, so here we go:

Gaff and I (as the two people in charge of this site) listened to your concerns. We addressed them. Requirements were set for Fenner, based on your concerns and your requests. Fenner sent me vids for every time he had on the site, and I checked them. Fenner also met Shock, and a long list of requests were made, based on your requests. Fenner has also done the livestreaming I asked for, in the way that I asked for it. Apparently it wasn't exactly fruitful, but as he has to continue livestreaming, he has more chances to improve. Therefore, up to now, he has done everything I have asked of him.

My question to the anti-Fenner crowd is: when Shock and Fenner met and I sent PMs requesting things to ask for at this meet, only one person mentioned anything that would remotely suggest that a live meet would not satisfy their own personal proof requirements. Why give me a list of things to ask for at a live meet, if you knew all along that this wouldn't be good enough for you? Why suggest livestreaming requirements and live meet requirements at all if you weren't going to be happy with the end result? What did you expect -- for us to give Fenner requirements that would be impossible for him to complete so that we would remove him?

Honestly, at this point, I'm impressed that Fenner has done what we have asked for thus far, because I was expecting no results from him. Do I think it's possible he might cheat again? Sure. Do I think that no one knows the whole story behind Fenner? Absolutely. Do I think he's as honest as Abraham Lincoln? I don't think so. But up until now, he has done what we have asked, and as far as I'm aware, he has not cheated on this site. I don't think it was a good thing for him to cheat on Cyberscore, but no one that runs the 6 MK sites that make up this community runs Cyberscore, so for all intents and purposes, he hasn't cheated since he came back. I realize that this is a hard pill for you to swallow, but we have handled this to the best of our ability. The new rule was enacted so we wouldn't have to deal with this shit again. That means that Fenner, as long as he doesn't cheat and he continues to do what we have asked of him, is allowed back, because Fenner's situation was dealt with before the new rule was put into place. That also means that the staff of this site has made a decision and put it into place.

You don't like it? Have your times removed. I'm gracious enough to save your times so that if you want back in, it's less of a pain in the ass, but if you want your times removed, tell me. If you don't like it, don't send in PRs. Also, I can't remember who made the comment about "having no choice" but to have your times removed (nor am I looking any of this shit up at this point), but you (the anti-Fenner crowd, not just the person who made that comment) are not martyrs fighting for a cause, or victims in any way. You do, in fact, have a choice to keep your times on this site or to have them removed, and that choice is 100% yours, so please stop acting like we're forcing you out, because we're not.

Also, to whoever brought up that this is a private site: yes, I agree with you. That means that the people who run it have the choice to allow Fenner back or don't, so if we choose to allow Fenner back, that is our choice. We are allowed to do that. That doesn't mean that members of the community can't voice their concerns, but when you bring the same shit up over and over again like a broken record, and we do everything that we can to fix the problem, continuing to bitch about it just makes you sound like little kids that are throwing temper tantrums because you aren't getting your way.

Also, if Seb chooses to leave over this, again, that is his choice. Treating it like blackmail doesn't help you. We aren't "sacrificing" anyone. If someone chooses to leave, no matter how good they are, that is their choice, not ours.

Anyway, that's all I have left to say on this. If anyone has concerns over this (outside of the same shit that's been posted in the last page or two), Gaff and I are more than happy to listen to you and to try to get answers. Otherwise, either deal with it or go, because a decision has been made, and this going in circles because you're pouting shit doesn't work.