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Reply #275 - 07/17/11 at 23:04:02
 
Shock wrote on 07/17/11 at 19:33:59:
Pertinence to the situation at hand and not references to specific people, either what Fenner says or others, belong in this discussion


*Cough* Have you seen the title of this topic lately?  Roll Eyes
About Terrence Fenner...; clearly not everything he says can be immediately discarded as irrelevant, don't be absurd.
If you're trying to get the point accross that he can not be held comprehensive/accountable for his own words, then why argue he would be for his actions and let him back on the site?
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Reply #276 - 07/18/11 at 00:18:19
 
The Gaff wrote on 07/17/11 at 15:12:51:
I look forward to your comments in the mkdd forum shortly. Furthermore your reaction when fenner tries to join the smk site with his live prs.

My reaction will be the same if Sami accepts him on the SMK site, and I will be a million times more disappointed and disgusted if it had to happen, because it would mean I'd have wasted an insane amount of hours of my life for nothing. Fortunately I believe in Sami and I don't think he will commit the same mistake as you did there, especially now that there's a "rule" about regular cheaters.

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I think you are over reacting. Do you mind if we don't delete your times but change your name instead to something else?

I do, and I do not want to be part of that site anymore after all those events. No one will miss me though regardless to my weak level here.
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Reply #277 - 07/18/11 at 00:52:16
 
I have told Terrence in person and I am sure i posted somewhere on this thread or another that Terrence won't be going on the SMK site, at least till God knows when. The reason is not just because of the back and forth Tennis game of his past issues but also because of the headache that has been going on here lately. There is no need to have a copy of that going on other places, but rather to sort out one problem at a time. Terrence said he understood this which is fine, and if anything he probably has his hands full with MKSC now anyway. So thats that for the SMK side of things. So Terrence if you are planning to do live stream for SMK at some point in future (this year, next year whenever), it will be just for your personal use.

On the other end of the spectrum, i do believe something should be done to try and fix the problem (even if it remotely sheds some light in the tunnel), I don't know what exactly but I believe Pierre kindly made a suggestion on something that is done on the MKW site. Again it isn't a full solution but I saw it turned a few heads around from the guys who seemed absolutely fed up with the Fenner case, as a temporary solution / workaround until something more solid / permanent is decided. Of course Tom and April will make their decisions on this site and it is up to them on what approach they want to take, they have their reasons for doing so and hopefully it will at some point in future shed the light at the end of the tunnel. I do agree Terrence has not helped himself with his actions, moreso his recent ones, but it is a sticky situation as he is proving that he can reach WR level so Pierre's idea may be the only one that could work in this situation. Either that or we completely ignore actual World Records that are being made live / could be made in future. The decision is yours here...

Hopefully then players might be inclined to return to resume their normal competition, or if not then that is up to you, or Tom and April may suggest some way around it for you. For now please let the mods here continue to do what they need.

On a lighter note:

I read something about the MKDD site being ignorant of Terrence's actions. I think Terrence noted his removal from MKDS but wasnt sure if he was referring to the Cyberscore nonsense.
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Reply #278 - 07/18/11 at 01:01:25
 
Antistar wrote on 07/18/11 at 00:18:19:
The Gaff wrote on 07/17/11 at 15:12:51:
I look forward to your comments in the mkdd forum shortly. Furthermore your reaction when fenner tries to join the smk site with his live prs.

My reaction will be the same if Sami accepts him on the SMK site, and I will be a million times more disappointed and disgusted if it had to happen, because it would mean I'd have wasted an insane amount of hours of my life for nothing. Fortunately I believe in Sami and I don't think he will commit the same mistake as you did there, especially now that there's a "rule" about regular cheaters.

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I do, and I do not want to be part of that site anymore after all those events. No one will miss me though regardless to my weak level here.


If we remove your name then you aren't part of the site? You no longer have to be associated with the site which has Fenner on.

I'm not sure why you put rule in inverted comma's. Its now a rule that anyone caught cheating (once not "regular") from now on any of our sites is permbanned. That became effective from pretty much a week ago, so Fenner would still be legitimately allowed to submit times to the smk site. Whether or not Sami would let him on is another matter.

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Reply #279 - 07/18/11 at 01:04:45
 
Those are my personal performances, they belong to a name which is mine, so I don't want to see them on this site with or without my name, end of story. Thanks.
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Reply #280 - 07/18/11 at 01:05:58
 
Antistar wrote on 07/18/11 at 01:04:45:
Those are my personal performances, they belong to a name which is mine, so I don't want to see them on this site with or without my name, end of story. Thanks.


Ok no problem.
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Reply #281 - 07/18/11 at 01:42:52
 
MrL1193 wrote on 07/17/11 at 11:32:50:
So the solution now is to have separate charts? Fenner and non-Fenner rankings? Grin That seems pretty silly to me.


This ^^

It would only be a short-term solution to get around the current issue. Things will get shitty again in the future Undecided
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Reply #282 - 07/18/11 at 03:13:24
 
The Gaff wrote on 07/18/11 at 01:01:25:
Its now a rule that anyone caught cheating (once not "regular") from now on any of our sites is permbanned. That became effective from pretty much a week ago, so Fenner would still be legitimately allowed to submit times to the smk site.


Actually no, you kept saying that the only reason why you didn't want to retrospectively apply this rule to the Fenner situation is because the decision to let him back on was already made prior. On SMK this is not the case (as he has not been let back to the site before the rule was in place), therefore I don't see a reason why the rule would not be enforced in SMK.
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Reply #283 - 07/18/11 at 03:15:35
 
KVD wrote on 07/18/11 at 03:13:24:
Actually no, you kept saying that the only reason why you didn't want to retrospectively apply this rule to the Fenner situation is because the decision to let him back on was already made prior. On SMK this is not the case (as he has not been let back to the site before the rule was in place), therefore I don't see a reason why the rule would not be enforced in SMK.

Well we have now elements to think about it: http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1310985158
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Reply #284 - 07/18/11 at 03:23:54
 
KVD wrote on 07/18/11 at 03:13:24:
The Gaff wrote on 07/18/11 at 01:01:25:
Its now a rule that anyone caught cheating (once not "regular") from now on any of our sites is permbanned. That became effective from pretty much a week ago, so Fenner would still be legitimately allowed to submit times to the smk site.


Actually no, you kept saying that the only reason why you didn't want to retrospectively apply this rule to the Fenner situation is because the decision to let him back on was already made prior. On SMK this is not the case (as he has not been let back to the site before the rule was in place), therefore I don't see a reason why the rule would not be enforced in SMK.


Arguably because he's been proven to be legit for now. My interpretation of the rule would be that anyone caught cheating upto the rule being put in place would get a clean slate so to speak.

Either way, Sami would never let him on
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Reply #285 - 07/18/11 at 04:30:53
 
The Gaff wrote on 07/18/11 at 03:23:54:
Arguably because he's been proven to be legit for now.


He can not be proven legit, as the opposite has already been proven. His actual MKSC timesset can be proven legit, but that's a different matter.
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Reply #286 - 07/18/11 at 05:55:00
 
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.

For the other players, it depends what you think. I know that even at SMK, some very old members, former high ranked, have wrong times but are still on the site, even if it was admitted the wrong times were estimations !

In fact, I'm ok we can consider there is "limitation", and it's too late to take a decision for some players who're not active since 4-5 years, or even 10 for SMK. But if you don't care about limitation, I can tell you all the players who have wrong times at MKSC !
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Reply #287 - 07/18/11 at 05:59:21
 
Alicia Kart wrote on 07/18/11 at 05:55:00:
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.

The official removal joke thread is here Kartie... Roll Eyes

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Reply #288 - 07/18/11 at 06:04:09
 
KVD wrote on 07/17/11 at 23:04:02:
About Terrence Fenner...; clearly not everything he says can be immediately discarded as irrelevant, don't be absurd.


Point taken.
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Reply #289 - 07/18/11 at 06:15:44
 
I took the other point : "and the site". Grin

If you wanna use another topic for doubtful times, no problem. ^^
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Reply #290 - 07/18/11 at 07:19:34
 
Fenners times are not really in doubt remember - its what he will do in the future which is in doubt.

The players in the smk topic i started are unproven.

I know the other topic was in jest, but there i was highlighting something which is potentially a wider issue which is that the sites are independently run yet should probably have someone or something binding them all.

How is it that Fenner has been on the mkdd site for three years, on the mk64 site for ages and yet he comes back here and all of a sudden players want their times removed. Players who i've pointed out are on the other sites.

It shouldn't be a case of how high a player is ranked (even though it clearly does matter in reality).

Anyway, i'm speaking to Penev about the domination page etc so i'll update mods when i've finalised what the plan is and then confirm what we shall do. Hopefully we wont lose anyone else in this process as i've not wanted that from the start - obviously.

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Reply #291 - 07/18/11 at 07:59:07
 
Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/18/11 at 00:52:16:
I read something about the MKDD site being ignorant of Terrence's actions. I think Terrence noted his removal from MKDS but wasnt sure if he was referring to the Cyberscore nonsense.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the MKDS page deleted his times off the site, I checked the combined ranks and he only shows up for three games when before I'm almost positive he showed up for four.
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Reply #292 - 07/18/11 at 08:15:45
 
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Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/18/11 at 00:52:16:
I read something about the MKDD site being ignorant of Terrence's actions. I think Terrence noted his removal from MKDS but wasnt sure if he was referring to the Cyberscore nonsense.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the MKDS page deleted his times off the site, I checked the combined ranks and he only shows up for three games when before I'm almost positive he showed up for four.


Fair enough, i wasnt sure what the story was on the MKDS site. Tom was just asking what MK64 and MKDD's position was on the subject as hes been on there for a while.

Anyway for now let Tom focus on the project / plan with Penev and see how things go from there.
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Reply #293 - 07/18/11 at 08:34:03
 
The Gaff wrote on 07/18/11 at 07:19:34:
Hopefully we wont lose anyone else in this process as i've not wanted that from the start - obviously.

Also i'm looking into a new ironing board, i hear they help karting ability.


Yea. I don't even own an ironing board. Maybe that's why I'm not SMK NTSC women's champ anymore. I should make an investment.

Anyway, to Karel/Mario86/the others that strongly opposed the decision: no hard feelings Smiley I think we all got a little heated about this (myself included), and its obvious we all greatly care about this community. I'm glad we're finally getting this settled. And like I told those who requested times removals, if/whenever you want back in, just let me know and I'll take care of it.
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Reply #294 - 07/18/11 at 19:30:10
 
Alicia Kart wrote on 07/18/11 at 05:55:00:
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.

For the other players, it depends what you think. I know that even at SMK, some very old members, former high ranked, have wrong times but are still on the site, even if it was admitted the wrong times were estimations !

In fact, I'm ok we can consider there is "limitation", and it's too late to take a decision for some players who're not active since 4-5 years, or even 10 for SMK. But if you don't care about limitation, I can tell you all the players who have wrong times at MKSC !

what's this about? O_o I want to know
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Reply #295 - 07/19/11 at 03:11:13
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 07/18/11 at 19:30:10:
Alicia Kart wrote on 07/18/11 at 05:55:00:
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.

For the other players, it depends what you think. I know that even at SMK, some very old members, former high ranked, have wrong times but are still on the site, even if it was admitted the wrong times were estimations !

In fact, I'm ok we can consider there is "limitation", and it's too late to take a decision for some players who're not active since 4-5 years, or even 10 for SMK. But if you don't care about limitation, I can tell you all the players who have wrong times at MKSC !

what's this about? O_o I want to know


Lol Flo isn't only not funny he's also a cheater.
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Reply #296 - 07/19/11 at 08:35:00
 
I guess they're typos cos Flo has SC times, so his non-SC times aren't in the top 5 and he can't verify his real time once he quits the track.

Btw, 2 of his 4 times I'm sure they're wrong are also on Cyberscore (as the tracks aren't concerned by SC), so these times must be on his top 5. He can easily check in his cartridge. Wink
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Reply #297 - 07/20/11 at 16:39:03
 
Can you put my name up on the site under Mario's times but knock them down like .1 seconds? I don't plan on ever joining otherwise, and it wouldn't be fair to the others.
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Reply #298 - 09/18/11 at 11:54:33
 
So...is this "domination" idea still going to see the light of day or what?
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Reply #299 - 09/18/11 at 18:49:57
 
Alicia Kart wrote on 07/18/11 at 05:55:00:
I ask a little parenthesis about Flo (Fantomas) : he has (at least) 4 false times on the site since a long time. Tom and Termo already know that, and when I told Flo about it last year (or maybe even in 2009), he refused to cooperate.

He's not the only one, but he's still active here, and is the highest ranked with this problem, so I'd like to see this issue solved.

For the other players, it depends what you think. I know that even at SMK, some very old members, former high ranked, have wrong times but are still on the site, even if it was admitted the wrong times were estimations !

In fact, I'm ok we can consider there is "limitation", and it's too late to take a decision for some players who're not active since 4-5 years, or even 10 for SMK. But if you don't care about limitation, I can tell you all the players who have wrong times at MKSC !


I just looked through the top 100s for each track, and I found 12 people with at least 1 fake time.  I remember this issue was brought up in the past, but it seems nothing has been done about it.
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