Mick wrote on 06/21/11 at 16:08:55:From what I've seen so far, I lean towards more of the legit side of all his recent PR's, and I do not have arguments to put him out of the site again, but I totally see how you can be so doubtful about his times.
Just to clarify, this is my current stance on this. I'm giving Fenner benefit of the doubt based on his recent mass video uploading and live streaming. Even for the live streaming, people need to realize that Fenner was not driving the same levels of times as he has in his actual records. They were close enough to remove some doubt, but for people to honestly believe him, there needs to be 100% irrefutable proof that the times are real, such as a highly trusted player going to see him play in person.
Mick wrote on 06/21/11 at 16:08:55: Quote:I know his past just as well as any person who has been on this board for years.
No you don't, just like 90% of the posters at the MKSC boards, me included. Only the veterans have acknowledge the time were Fenner was banned at first. They are more able to judge how he could possibly cheat as they are way more experienced than us.
Do you know why Fenner is banned on every single players page site he has been on? He has been caught in multiple games (and no, people are NOT going to disclose the reasons to you, because these reasons are some of the only ways we can catch cheaters) cheating, and the proof was 100%. He was caught in MKSC, in SMK, and even iirc in MK64 (might need correction on this one) and each time he 100% denied it. The people saying they want Fenner off the site (Seb, Neo, Pierre) or Frozen (Myself, a few other players I'm not going to disclose names of) have very, VERY valid reasons.
Also, not to hate on the people who are newer on this site, but you have to realize that the people who are hesitant about Fenner are people who have been around either the players page or forums for years longer. I competed in MK64 as far back as 1998, and players like Seb, Neo, and Pierre have been around in SMK for ages. We've ALL seen cheating, and the way that we used to deal with cheating (and still should in my honest opinion) was basically freeze the player, ask for proof, and if none could be provided, remove the player from the site; no second chance (Exception: Hab Trio, as the times were technically legit). As Fenner has cheated in the past, many of us don't want to see him back.
Fenner is lucky to even be getting a second chance on the MKSC players page, and he's only getting it as he now shows traits of a legit player (videos/streaming/etc.). I get the honest feeling that the newer players here (recent MKDS players / all MKW players that hadn't played a kart game before) don't realize just how damn lucky Fenner is to get a second chance, and that we're being harsh about this for a damn good reason.
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