Interesting test run Ryan. I really wanna do a TAS run now, but i have no idea where to even begin.
Another thing, were his mts even spaced out? I always thought a little spacin g was needed or you cut off your mt speed .

Alright, I've been doing a lot of testing, and here's what I've discovered:  when using 2 controllers, you can charge MTs significantly faster than on 1P time trials.  

When using 1P (time trial mode), it requires:

~10 frames to start the drift (holding A+R) (this seems to differ based on whether or not you were holding a direction before starting the drift, however. for instance, if you're using a sideways boost around a turn, you'll be holding left; consequently, when you press the R button, you only need to hold A+R for ~2 frames before the drift starts)
8 frames holding the "opposite" direction (+A+R)
3 frames middle
3 frames opposite
3 frames middle
Release

When using 2P (GP mode 150cc), it requires:

Start drift on 1P (A+R+direction) (# frames depends on if you were holding a direction prior, minimum is 2 frames, maximum is around ~10 as stated above)
Hold opposite direction on 2P (1 frame)
Hold middle on 2P (1 frame)
Hold opposite direction on 2P (1 frame)
Hold middle on 2P (1 frame)
Release R on 1P

As you can see, it takes way less frames to charge an MT with 2 controllers than it does with one.  What this means is, 2P mode has a significant advantage as far as TAS in this game, and sadly, time trial TAS's will never live up to that video posted above, because it simply isn't possible to MT as fast on 1P mode.  In a few hours, I will likely post a video of my second test run, so you can see what I've discovered here.

Aron Langerak wrote on 09/11/13 at 13:38:25:


You never seemed to understand why people TAS.  Believe it or not, some people find it enjoyable.  It doesn't "take away" from the real records, and everyone knows that it is more difficult to set real records.  The only reason you seem to be against it is because you're trying to compare the two, which is just illogical.  Even though I have no intention of continuing to TAS this game (I merely wanted to test things and find out what is possible/with what inputs), I think it's quite funny that you think you know how people should spend their free time.  

EDIT:  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x14l31s_framedump1_videogames

Aron Langerak wrote on 09/11/13 at 13:38:25:

TAS is created to reach the limits of a game. It's not meant to perform humanly possible runs. It's meant to be impressive and full of surprises. If you're not impressed by a TAS, then it's not a good TAS.
And it feels good to see how far you can push a game imo.

TheFrigz wrote on 09/11/13 at 23:54:03:

Just ask MKW TASers

Stacy1199 wrote on 09/09/13 at 15:34:00:

lmao I love those MTs at 7:20

TheFrigz wrote on 09/12/13 at 14:57:54:


Is it possible to get a shroom in first in MKDD? If so you could try to abuse luck or something
If not the FIB could do the job

I think it'd be cool if we stuck to doing time trials rather than Grand Prix for TAS runs.

I've always wondered if it was possible to snake over the bridge in TAS..  Probably wouldn't be faster, but it would be cool to see

There is one key tool of TASing that you guys have missed: Exact inputs. The analog sticks can be perfectly aimed using specialized dialogs. This in combination with frame advance allows inputs that "might not" be possible on a real controller due to physical limitations. Like say, flipping instantly from minimum to maximum. And then back again.

Another key aspect that I think didn't get enough attention is the precision gained from ram watching. Exact positions, velocities and so on help a lot with microoptimizations.

Add in disassembly of the game code and you get really interesting results. Knowing exactly how the physics work helps when abusing strange corner cases like two carts colliding with each other and a wall at the same time.

And of course there is always the option to draw additional content on the screen while working. Seeing collision geometry overlaid on top of the game scene is really handy. But truth to be told, a lot of it is simply a convenient way of showing raw numbers equivalent to plain raw watching, but the potential for more complicated drawings is there. For example, random number generators can be analyzed to show which item you'd get if you were to collect an item box in the next N frames.