termoPilucco wrote on 05/17/11 at 10:50:00:


Have you been using the values I posted? They help quite a bit, specifically in seeing where you're losing speed.

I think I'll try and find the X and Y position on the map later, so we can get a slightly more accurate tell of where we lose and save time.

@karterfreak
at the moment i'm just trying to get used with emulator, i will use speed informations later.

@.Hahaae
the problem is that i'm not even able to beat my time  



edit:
today attempt: 11"56.. i'm getting close

Does Hirano even have proof of his flaps?


Not that I doubt Hirano, but he is very suspicious, being that he is beating 2nd place on the MKWR.jp overall time rankings by around 61 seconds, his lines are ALWAYS the exact same per lap, being "02 or "03 different on the last 2 laps usually, but that's just the way the game operates, he used to have videos of "PRs" back in like 2002 - 2003, but were rejected, and now he claims such videos were "Old TAS :3" when questioned on Skype. His flaps, even the ones that are not "03 or "18 are usually MAX'd out, or at least very close (Under 5 frames?) to it (See SG SC Flap: 0'01"08), he is the only person who has landed SG NSC strat or BL SC strat 3/3 without using a slower method to do so, and he has done them multiple times. For instance, he has landed the SG NSC strat at LEAST 3 times, with his old 36, 35, and current 34 second PRs, while there are only 2-3 people besides him who have landed it ONCE, and only 2 of which were able to incorporate it into a run.

In Fried's version of Mander's RR, it looks slightly wide and sloppy, but in the more recent recording, you can see that he took EVERYTHING as tight as possible.


Hirano is my friend and all, but he needs to start providing more proof. I know in MKW, he started randomly popping up with WRs, and beating them by a HUGE margin, doing all of the hard strats 3/3, which NOBODY else has mimicked yet, 1.5 years later, and he blocks / ignores you if you ask him to stream, etc.

Should probably go in SC thread or something, but it can go here just as well.

Only problem with rules like that is that someone can post complete bullshit and get on the chart.


BTW, Hirano's times aren't going down. In the GBA tracks, where he actually "tried", all of his times are done NON-zzmt, whereas ZZMT times barely beat him, using faster characters, as opposed to his Toad.

Another highly suspicious time is his CCI Non-SC. Try to do that water gap cut 3/3 with Toad and see how incredibly hard it is, not to mention the ticking spot he used, which nobody has been able to pull off yet.

Oh, by the way, I tried to reproduce his SG SC strat, and there was no way that I could get Toad to go slow enough for an A+B spin to work like he did. I don't think that's humanly possible.  

The beginning is good but for the 2nd and 3rd shroom you seem to go way too much on the right to set up the ticking. Also there may be a way to space more the shrooms : you're not using all of the boost of the ticking.

yeah, spacing ticking well is hard and it's the key of many flaps (i'm thinking at RMC1)...
For the moment i'm stopping PC lap and next i will try RMC1


edit: lol, i have no retro tracks available.. any fast way to get them?

Thanks, worked (with eur/Us version).

In the meanwhile i've enabled input keys on the screen and noticed that Cstrakm holds often  the back R button down when he does ticking. I have to try it (likely better turns are possible).

termoPilucco wrote on 05/22/11 at 09:07:31:

This was chinese to me...
"to hold the back R button down"? Wtf?

It works at SMK, but never did it at MKSC ! I always thought it wasn't better.

It can't be forbidden. We are allowed to submit records on the site where we have paused to go to the bathroom, take a class on how to perfect one's hillbilly accent, buy a can of tuna, etc. All of these offer the same situation for the gameplay.

But, I'm curious (and this is just me being personally curious) as to what made you think of the pausing as something viable and advantageous that it was specifically adressed? At least to me, there are lots of things and techniques that are just as complicated that wouldn't have me thinking I should pause in advance so as to accomplish them easier. Then again, most of them wouldn't be easier or more convenient to execute or perform with the aid of an added pause.

In a TAS, you are already effectively pausing the entire time when you are going frame by frame.
I don't see why you should need to pause the game when you are TASing. If there ever is a time when you are in complete control of the game and its outcome, this is it. Anything possible within the restrictions of the game engine can be accomplished.

I always pressed R a few times while ticking if I wanted to turn tighter, but I never held it all the way!
I'll have a try at this too.