i knew fairly well what i was doing day 4-6 sword.

Day 2 was really paranoid indeed.

And you didn't have to explain everyone for me by the way, i was just trying to tell you that town was one big fuck up  

Wow, didn't expect to come back to this.

Yeah I lied about my role, but I was sure of Darius' role, just nobody believed me. I was selfish enough to hope we could lynch him and I'd be a cleared townie. I hate that I'm always suspected scum every game I play. I think it's because I read too fast, and then on second read I find something to change my mind lol.

To be honest, TOWN might have won if we lynched Darius, because I was planning to NK Zwiebel if I lived. That would've left us just trying to weed out MVT.

My inability to get online really hurt my team too, so I apologize padz and Tyler.

Sorry to everyone who expected a good read on the admin board, communication was scarce between us.

Congrats to all Mafia members, and good game to everyone! I can't wait for the next one.

Now that i think of it.
At the end of Day4 where I went out of line posting after majority was reached Zwiebel you never intended to leave your vote on your scumbuddy Darius there. You just waited for a good reason to vote for RDBU did you? I thought I was paranoid when I thought of it later and didn't persued on it. Especially when nobody mentioned it at the start of Day 5. And you don't mention it yourself at all should also have ringed a bell. Bad bad bad play

Damn, what an anticlimax. I was expecting to see the result of Matt's lynch, nothing more. I'm extremely disappointed now because I put a lot of attention into this game (starting day 3, that is).

To be honest, it was a mistake to join; I didn't really know what I was getting myself into. No experience with this type of mafia game, a lot of players, and not a lot of time. I actually admitted it on day 2 somewhere; I said I didn't have the time and lacked the motivation to make time. On the other hand, because this game lasts so long and I was part of a team, I felt a lot of pressure to do things right; but that would mean investing a lot of time.

With my newly gained experience, I can now look back on my play on day 1 and 2 and laugh really hard about how noobish it was. On day 1 I was completely lost as to wtf I was supposed to do; no information yet, nothing to go on. I just tried to make some posts and hoped not to look scummy. Which fails, I now realize. Day 2 wasn't much better, because I was still clueless and still focussing on not looking scummy.

If it's one thing I've learned, it's that as town, you can't be too concerned about looking scummy. If you make posts with that in mind, your posts end up looking forced and actually do look scummy because of that. Or you post very little, and that's also no good. Speak up as if it's obvious that everyone thinks (or should think) you're town.

I made a mistake in joining, but I'm glad that I did. Starting day 3, I was getting a grip and started to have theories based on previous actions. Finally there were some facts to go on and I could analyze like I know I can, and maybe some of you expected beforehand. Not that I was right though; on day 4 I was convinced that out of padz, RVZ and Matt V, at least two were Mafia. Actually none of them were, although two were scum. Ok, somewhat right then, but for the wrong reasons.

On day 3, there was the plan of Goose finishing off Shock. At first I was not in favor, because I thought they could very well both be town. Then I remembered my power role. As Honko said, I could stop one lynch during the game. I didn't think I'd ever use it, because I would have to be EXTREMELY sure that I was right; lynching is one of town's main weapons I figured. But on day 3, I had the plan of preventing Shock's lynch. If the day was over after Goose's 8th vote, Shock would've been proved town and I would've saved him. Goose would also have picked up town points. So that's why I was suddenly in favor of this plan, and that's also why I stayed up till 4 am to see what happened. Also to make up my mind if I should or should not prevent it; what if Goose was scum after all? When the 8th vote didn't end the day, I figured Shock was lying and withdrew my protection.
I have to admit, I considered protecting Darius from being lynched on day 5 when it was between him and padz, because I really had a good feeling about Darius. (Nice going Darius!)

In the end though, my lack of experience did let me down. I've only ever played "live" games with a few other noobs, a known number of townies and mafia, and one cop. I really thought at the end that there would be 2 mafia left and maybe 1 admin. I went with Ivo a lot because I knew he was an experienced player, I had a big town vibe from him and we seemed to agree about a lot of things (about Darius for instance).

Anyway, I'm extremely disappointed now because I put a lot of effort in this game, sacrificed on sleep and other activities, and came out empty-handed. I'm especially gutted because I really really did not expect to have lost coming online just now. In fact, when I saw the game was over, my first thought was that Matt was the only remaining mafia and we had won. Bummer.

Well, I guess it's time to say congratulations to KoopZ, Supr, Darius, MVT and Zwiebel. Especially the latter three because I really had a town vibe on them. I have to say though that my suspicions on Zwiebel and MVT were on the rise during the final day, because Zwiebel was just going with the flow and MVT was really portraying his opinions as gospel. But Darius I had no issues with anymore after Ivo's claim. Nice going guys!

And of course thanks to Honko for a very well organized game!

TvL wrote on 04/05/11 at 02:01:49:


Spot on. This is what a lot of people in this game really didn't get. Even if you get lynched, in the long run town is better off for people playing without fear and really challenging other players and posting their own opinion. Too many townies in this game went along with the general consensus because they were worried about looking scummy.

TvL wrote on 04/05/11 at 02:01:49:


And this is why, as a general rule, you should always read your role PM carefully and you should never lie or claim your role in parts. Goose screwed up town with his fake cop claim and Shock ruined his credibility by claiming both bomb and miller at a later stage and failing to notice that he actually wasn't a hated townie.

I thought you played a good game from D3 onwards. You had your own perspective on the game and you approached things logically. I had you down as an easy mislynch early on but I stepped back from that because you appeared more and more townie as the day went on. The other stuff will come with experience on forum mafia. I've played about 50 games now, most of which are usually much slower than this, but the principles are the same. As I've played plenty of large games like this, if I was town I would have been much more forcefully warning people that there were likely to be more mafia than everyone was assuming there were, which I think really would have changed thinking yesterday. Generally the percentage of mafia in large themes with multiple factions is around 33%, depending on the setup, so assuming there were only 2 left was a major mistake that a few players made.

Darius wrote on 04/04/11 at 23:13:35:

padz wrote on 04/05/11 at 03:10:08:


I meant in the sense that you claimed town vig. The lack of reaction to Shock claiming the kill made sense if you were Admin. It didn't make sense if you were town. In the same way I knew Matt really did have some kind of rolecop result on me, so he was telling the truth in that regard. I just didn't believe he had a town ability because his actions after he got the result didn't make sense from town. Both of you tried to play it under the radar instead of revealing what you knew, which is scum mentality.

Ivo; oh yeah, my claim obviously wasn't a pro-town thing at all. I basically said it to make you think that I had a role which would explain me not getting killed, as well as a role that was still worth something in the game. Matt's was not only implausible, it was also useless as he had already claimed to use his shot. I thought if I softclaimed something that would help town and not provide too many details, it would help to tip the balance in favour of a Matt lynch. I was actually going to claim Commuter if it came to it, meaning I could leave town every other night in order to avoid night actions. You're right about the softclaims, it gave us far too much information and none of them were really necessary at the times they claimed.

Ivootjes wrote on 04/04/11 at 17:30:02:


I was confused by that, but I just took it as my advantage and just shut up D5 and 6, I didn't really post anything then and no one cared. I actually insulted Darius of staying under the radar, but I myself did so and noone realized . Anyway, it was a fun game nontheless.

Also of course thanks to Honko for hosting, you made a great job

Well played maf, especially Timur and MVT.  I possibly shouldn't have signed up because of my trip to Dublin, after day 3 I was completely out of the loop.  Thanks Honko for hosting.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 04/05/11 at 07:33:42:


you know its nothing personal....  or maybe it is.    i dont even know how our little rivalry got started, just that its been perpetuated thru every game we've played together.