Ivootjes wrote on 04/04/11 at 15:25:09:


Its funny, that everyone who died knew he was mafia. Noone bothered to read the suspicions I left behind at the start of Day 3 - that was towns major flaw this game, I think.

Ivootjes played really badly, despite trying really hard. Made several mistakes during the game that messed town up severely.

TvL played an excellent game as town, and a really first game in general. Was nice to see you as the only one who actually tried to pin together pieces of the puzzle, I was impressed how you managed to find out things about me even though I died

MVT played amazingly. Guess I'm so used to him playing an excellent town game that I didn't even suspect him. Zwiebel I had hunches on at different points, but I generally dismissed it.

I failed and vig killed fank - some of his posts about his hunches seemed to good to be just a coincidence. I was debating whether to kill Darius that night too, sicne I was half and half. When I woke up dead I knew from then on Darius was maf.

Those are my thoughts for now ... Looking forward to the night actions. Thanks for hosting Honko, was great fun

Gonna read the Admin and Mafia boards now ...

The Shock lynch was really what decided the game. I'm not sure how Shock misinterpreted his role as needing one less vote to lynch, but TvL was actually thinking about mayor-ing that lynch IF Shock had been telling the truth about that. When Shock didn't die on the 8th vote, TvL decided to let the lynch go through. When you mislynch a Bomb and then your Jack kills a townie while scum finally gets two kills in on the same night, it kind of swings the momentum.

GGs. Mafia played a good game, imo they deserved the win, and yeah I fucked up badly. I thought "TOWN Hater" meant that I would die one vote less. Poor play on my part.

I'll also in the future refrain from claiming such a role, even if its the truth..  

Thanks Honko, you did a really good job hosting.

me too. i was trying to bait mvt by suggesting goose simulynch and it worked but then shock totally incriminated himself and made it impossible to pull.

^tvl this is what i was trying to do. when i tried to explain it before i was too tired to even remember what happened that day.

Yeah wow, MVT that was amazing gameplay. The only thing that made me sus is the fact that you weren't dead, and you normally are by now. It was just a gut feeling that I threw off since you looked so good.

Darius was a huge gut feeling that I couldn't provide evidence for, so it was lost completely. Zwieb you also had an amazing game.

I would have revealed my role but since it was late any leads I would have gotten were revealed by the time that the people were dead, so I was effectively useless.

Regardless, that was a fun game and thanks a lot to Honko for hosting.

Sword wrote on 04/04/11 at 15:36:26:


What the fuck, i wasn't here on the crucial day, day 3. That's where everyone fucked up.

I already admitted into failing day 2, i was talked into it by goose, you were talked into it by me, seems like you just want to accuse ME of you making a bad move. You even tried to convince koopz that day, so you were just as bad, together with a lot of other townies that is.

I think i played fine, my plan worked out good from day 4 to day 6, fact is, we had already lost the game by then.

What is the big difference between tvl's play and my play? I think tvl trusted darius more blindly than i did, and on a lot of other stuff we just agreed on with each other. I'm not saying i played better than tvl, but you saying I played very bad and tvl played very good seems more of a personal thing, instead of looking at the actual gameplay.

Bah... If I wasn't asleep end of D3, I'd have switched from Goose.

And even AFTER my lynch, your game didn't pick up too much. But D5/6 were good, nice deduction skills.

Ivootjes wrote on 04/04/11 at 16:15:13:


You just changed your views too often. When I died it was undeniably obvious that Darius was mafia. The flaw with town in most games is that they never check the past content of dead town players properly and miss major hints. You skimmed over mine for example and missed my soft claim of scanning Goose.

I'm saying you played bad because you turned the town in the opposite direction at several points in the game. You almost saved Suprsilver, you defended Darius hard, you started the crusade on RDBU with an attitude of "he's useless so he might as well die" when that's the wrong attitude. Numbers are still important.

Then of course the use of the power stopping all night actions occuring probably halted the momentum of the game.

If town lynched Darius on the last day and killed Matt V the next day then town may have had a chance of winning. I don't know why people thought Matt V was mafia - he was obviously aligned with padz and nobody else.

I'm not saying you played the worst game, I agree people played worse than you, I just expected alot more from you and you let your paranoia get ahold of you at several points to make you change decisions.

I said TvL played excellent based on the fact it's his first game. You've played more than 5. I just got a good lean on him from the get go and he actually worked out ALOT of information on town that had deceased, which is actually pretty damn valuable.

Either way, just read the mafia board. MVT, you are brilliant. It was class to read the whole thread. Guess my claim on Goose was what got me killed after all. I wonder how it would have ended if I actually went for Darius over fank Definitely my worst mistake in the game for sure.

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I'm now going to reread that part of the day, as i can't find it in the night actions honko just posted. I think you're putting to much importance on your own death here by the way.

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What momentum of the game, we had just lost 6 townies in a row? What should i have done, not use it at all?

I'm not trying to make it out that me dying cost the game. I'm just annoyed how town was lead blindly by the mafia and didn't bother to re-read past actions or anything. However, it's obvious that this cost town the game

<Shock> my oh My thIs must be the Least conspicuous sentence of aLl timE. R

The fact that he read his role incorrectly and ended up getting lynched and allowing mafia to get 4 kills in a day and night cycle ended it there and then.

Also, Howes in a past game had the ability to votestuff, as you know, means that whoever votestuffed has control of the lynch and only their vote counts. Needless to say, he votestuffed padz, a mafia member. This in turn completely flipped the game around and allowed us to win.

Me personally, probably wouldn't have ever used that role that you were given. The Admins and Mafia could have ended up killing each other, in that night they did. Your role prevented that from occuring;

MattV scans Zwiebel. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)
padz kills Darius. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)

MVT poisons Tim. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)
Darius blocks Tim. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)
MVT kills padz. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)

Web watches MattV. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)
Tim jails Darius. (fails - massblocked by Ivo)
Ivo roleblocks everyone.


Obviously night actions come down to complete luck, but this in itself I think hindered town. I'm not solely putting the blame on you, it was just painful to see you so confused in the thread and to allow Darius to manipulate you in such way.

Mafia deserved the win though - I stand by that

Edit: I noticed that Tim jailed Darius but Darius blocked Tim. I assume that both of these would have countered each other and nothing would have happened.

stealing my lines now are ya?

Ah, totally forgot about padz's ability.

I'm not saying it's all your fault! I was just amazed how town followed your decisions when even you yourself weren't certain what you were doing. That's crazy right there. I almost used my vig kill on you at one point because you just seemed far too paranoid to be town. After my death however I'm glad I didn't, since your alignment became solid.

Goose played completely as expected. This is why I didn't call him out. RDBU nothing needs to be said, just that he might need to be banned from future games unless he's willing to participate. Shock as everyone knows fucked up big time by misleading town and allowing 4 people to die in one cycle. Scott didn't make any major mistakes for me, except railing on Goose.

I'll admit, I defended Goose way hard before I even knew he was town. This is solely because Goose is a great character and his posts are hilarious and he makes the game exciting. The fact that everyone wanted someone dead who actually makes the game more enjoyable when his alignment wasn't clear to be mafia is beyond me.

If MVT played much worse than I expected I would call him out on it too. Don't take it personally. I know you didn't have much time to contribute to the game so you did well considering your limitations.

And I guess after Day 3 towns' chances were pretty grim. After padz died I knew there was 1 more admin, and 2 mafia. This is why I cringed as I saw everyone hammer MattV when several people had been railing Darius. Come Day 5 the only ones trying to get Darius lynched were mafia themselves! 3 Mafia at the end was a complete shock. MVT had everyone fooled. Definitely gonna be weary of him in any future games hosted.