T-Man has performed live on Skype.

He did not know I was recording him until a bit after he completed his final run request on RMC1.

This is about as legit proof as it gets. While on Skype, Terrence performed a 1'18"xx on RBC3 with Bowser. When I saw the replay, I'll be honest, I thought I had been wasting my time.

Things didn't get much better when I requested a SG flap. His first score on the second attempt or so was over 16 seconds. I told him that I had just played that course tonight, and I got under 14 in my third try. I asked if he knew where the shrooms were, and he said yes, he'd try again. (I'm narrating by the way in this thread because I forgot to turn the speakers/mic on, so all it is right now is video with no audio.  )

Then things got better. He got 13"35 on lap 1, but unfortunately hit retry right when he had the screen ready. (I saw the numbers; he did do it) He tried again, and he got 14"00, which we got on replay. The 14"00 is rather sloppy, (late shrooming, failed ramp), but with that 13"35 and a claim of 12"93 PR, I'm believing him on this one.

I decided to seal the deal here and asked for him to do a RMC1 5lap. Within his 2nd (1st maybe?) try, he had a very low 45 second time. That is also on replay.

I cut portions of the video out so it could fit on YouTube. However, I moved the mouse back and forth now and then so all could see the duration of the call, i.e. live time.

Further along in the vid, we discussed what this could mean for him joining. He expressed what seemed to me sincere apologies and regret for his past, and he clearly wants a second chance.

I don't think he plans on deleting his Skype, and he even asked me if I had other staff member contacts (implying that he is willing to play for them too).

Here is the video, read the description if you have any questions. (Also, you can watch this in HD )


TL;DR: Video:


-->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5g3O5jaahw  <--



--- My take on this? I believe he is fully legit, no room whatsoever for doubt. The poor performance on RBC3 only in my eyes guarantees that he couldn't have possibly been using live replay or anything of that sort. He also showed that the system wasn't modded, and the performance was all than more made up for in his RMC1 performance.

Should he be allowed back? My vote is yes. He is doing all he can, and his efforts are genuine. I say he needs to at least turn in a video of every PR he gets, and occasionally do a live stream on any course that we want him to play on in the future. The Mario Kart Player's Page may be letting a cheater back, but the group has shown to what lengths players must go to to rejoin. Also, the social disdain, and the sheer enormity of proof required to even be considered as a legit player again should ward off any cheaters' attempts in the future.

Because of this, I say let him have a second chance. If he fails again though and he cheats, there will be no 3rd glance. If that happens, I say instate a full IP ban and every score wiped out on every MK page that he has submitted times to.

So, submit your votes and discuss. Should we allow Fenner back on the MKSC Player's Page?

Though I would prefer him to meet up with you as well, I say let him be back for now.

Alicia Kart wrote on 03/12/11 at 07:20:38:


I've sent him a message requesting a re-do. I fixed my sound, so I guarantee that will work.

In the next Skype, if Terrence agrees to do so, I'll ask him to take the cartridge out, put it back in, show the system is clearly not modified, and have him play with the screen facing the camera. I have 3 tracks in mind that I think are good testing grounds, and I won't say what they are until the next session starts. Should any other "precautions" be taken?

Okay, sounds good. Still waiting for a response.

Also, I modified the poll: users can now remove their vote if they want to.

I think anyone who doesn't know the backstory behind Fenner (at the time he got banned from the sites) shouldn't be eligible to vote about such important decision, i.e. 90% of the active members of this board, myself included.

Besides, this video is terrible (no offense Andy) and proves absolutely nothing.
I'd be glad to see a proper stream myself of him playing, but this doesn't change the facts that I don't have all the "cards" that allow me to judge accordingly of his case.

ready to hit the road on MC1
44"63 (ranked #2 on the world ) - GOD

YD - lap 3 crash! [Titan E i believe]

I'll probably do it tonight early i hope

Next time I'll probably do Ribbon Road and then a few retro courses
what would you say?  

As I already said, give him his last chance. He should have special rules for his times (e.g. prove every time) or something like that, but I think it's clearly that he has the skills in this game, and if Shock, as a well-trusted member of this community, sais he has no doubts that he is legit by now, I can say that I am sure that it is the case. Also because it seems that they will meet up somewhen in the future, which I also would recommend and which would finally show that we can trust Fenner now. I have not been around by the time he cheated, but it seems he grew up (a bit, at least) and left his past behind.

If he gets caught cheating again, that will be the end for him though. Permanent ban from the site and delete all his times. I think all those things would be enough to let him rejoin; for a hopefully ever-lasting rejoin.

still thinking about this.

I don't know if this would settle your discomfort about allowing Fenner back or not April, but here it is anyway:

Quote:


This is stated publicly on the Player's Page here.

So, almost in a legal sense, we would need to "amend" our "constitution" if we don't let Fenner back.

Also, a news updater could quote this and post a bit about how much work it took for Fenner to be welcomed back and easily give potential cheaters a reason not to try it.

Edit: I realize I wasn't around when he cheated, but from my understanding and knowledge he wasn't caught TASing or anything, he just submitted fake times?

Chris wrote on 03/15/11 at 12:38:47:

I don't want to be off-topic but, is it okay to rejoin the MKDS site too
because I learned my lesson about that, which is attached to my lesson about MKSC

SMK...I need somebody who's in the SMK page (who know me since 2006), who got a Skype
MKSC...I may go to Skype and do a few more live videos hopefully
MKDS...my 2009 timescroll is right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_82lj0XuQ (my newer TT videos are in my video page)

cool
over a week ago, I uploaded my GV1 live freestyle (originally: Quick ZZMTs)