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Mafia Day 5: Squirrels are Game Over (Read 4807 times)
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Re: Mafia Day 1: Squirrels are Stupid
Reply #75 - 01/30/11 at 11:53:17
 
Votals
[3] No Lynch - MVT, Kmacc, Sword
[2] Koopz - Darius, Sportsguy
[1] padz - Calibur
[1] MVT - padz
[1] Scott - (KoopZ), KoopZ
[0] Sportsguy - (Sword), (KoopZ)
[0] Calibur - (MVT)

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Re: Mafia Day 1: Squirrels are Stupid
Reply #76 - 01/30/11 at 11:57:00
 
IsThatAGoodTime wrote on 01/30/11 at 11:50:36:
Are you saying you honestly don't know why or are you saying you have no idea why a town player wouldn't?



I don't know why a town play wouldn't at this point.  Especially after a few of us answered every question and concern that Darius presented us with.  He just took our answers, didn't respond, and left it at that, still stubbornly holding out on a no lynch.
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Reply #77 - 01/30/11 at 11:57:57
 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

On another note, I urge you to speak of a giant cabbage in your next post.  For the good of all of us.
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Reply #78 - 01/30/11 at 12:11:24
 
MVT: That thing about the cabbage was aimed directly at you.  If you're unsure what I'm talking about see the first post of the topic, rule 5.
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Re: Mafia Day 1: Squirrels are Stupid
Reply #79 - 01/30/11 at 12:16:00
 
Lots of discussion.  I am fairly neutral on the no-lynch strategy maybe slightly leaning to lynching someone.  Only 2/9 chance we screw up and lose.  

I am most suspicious of MVT.  He seems like someone who would fake role claim and really be mafia.  

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Reply #80 - 01/30/11 at 12:25:40
 
Darius wrote on 01/30/11 at 10:55:20:
Sword, my concern is that Day 2 will be people repeating how no lynch is still a good idea. I just don't want no lynch to be a viable argument for the rest of the game because it gives scum an easy ride by letting them know they can just push it instead of conducting some genuine scumhunting. I think the consensus of the town is starting to lean towards NL precisely because most people have been lazy and just saying 'yeah, it's a shot in the dark to lynch'. If we no lynch today, nobody should be allowed to get away with that argument tomorrow, but I bet some people are still going to try it if not much happens tonight.


I'm pretty confident that noone will be inforcing a no lynch tomorrow. There would be no reason to. We are only doing this on day 1 because we don't have any leads and it would be the biggest gamble all game, and the odds are completely against us.

It won't be a viable arguement for the rest of the game. I understand it doesn't tell us much about the players by no lynching, but are you willing it put the sake of the game at risk just "so we can have more information for those with power abilities"? As MVT said, most people with powers are either dead set on who they are going to target because either a) grudge or b) hunch. Day 1 is mostly junk and fluff, and I don't think a lynch would realy change the views of people as much as you claim it would.

Scum won't ride on it all game either. Scum hate no lynch. About what you said on scum having the first move, that is overexaggerating again. Having the first move doesn't matter, since they are already off to a bad start.

If we lynch today, the three possible outcomes are available:

Lynch a Mafia (2/9 - Low Possibility, and would be extremely benefitial for town)
Lynch a Jester (2/9 - Low Possibility, and would be extremely bad for town)
Lynch a Town (5/9 - Highest Possibility, and would be absolutely terrible for town)

A Town Lynch is benefitial to Mafia. Mafia have a 5/7 chance of hitting a town, and a 2/7 chance of hitting a Jester, but this is still partially good for them, as they can afford to lynch since they are far more likely to hit a Town than a Jester.

A Mafia Lynch is benefitial to Town. Town have a 2/9 chance of hitting someone that lowers the Mafia count. Town has a 5/9 chance of fucking up and lynching Town, and a 2/9 chance of lynching a Jester and giving them the win.

Therefore a lynch on Day 1 is way more benefitial to the Mafia over anyone else. They have the best odds. I think those who are against no lynch are more likely mafia than anyone else. Do you see how bad the odds are?
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Reply #81 - 01/30/11 at 12:35:20
 
Sportsguy001 wrote on 01/30/11 at 12:16:00:
I am fairly neutral on the no-lynch strategy maybe slightly leaning to lynching someone.  Only 2/9 chance we screw up and lose.


You don't think the 5/9 chance of lynching one of our own is bad at all? I would count a Town lynch as a screw up. It brings it down to 2:2:4 and the night actions tonight could very well set the ending for the game in stone.

So it's really a 7/9 chance that we screw up. It's a 2/9 chance that we play it right. Why are people not getting this?

I think most people are underestimating the power of the night actions. There could be 4 kills tonight if all the roleblockers fail, and if all 3 vigs and one of the two mafia make their kill. Sure, one or both of the Jesters could die, as could one or both of the Mafia. But the odds of town getting nailed is still much higher. If our count is lower, because we lynch one of our own on day 1, it makes it even harder to come back if the night actions are against our favour.

Of course, I'm not saying that there will be 4 kills. But there could be. It's a complete toss up. We don't have any control over how well the night goes. It's a complete gamble. I don't see why any Town member would take the 2/9 chance of a good lynch today though personally Undecided

I just don't really understand why there are some players who don't see that No Lynch is the best option right now. Unless of course they aren't town, and they are either a Jester or a member of the Mafia, who want a lynch since it helps their favour. Sounds more likely to me.
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Reply #82 - 01/30/11 at 12:49:12
 
Sword I'm with you here.

Look at this from the perspective of a vig: you can attempt to back a lynch today with a 2/9 success rate (since you could get lynched yourself) OR you can push for NL and have a 4/8 chance of (individual) success! Much better odds at night.

Group success is also much better at night.  If all 3 shots are taken randomly, expected value is 1.5 maf/jesters hit (coming out even).  This doesn't take into account the possibility of two people hitting the same guy.  Four of the 8 possible scenarios kill 2 or 3 maf/jesters (and only 1 other townie).

Taking only 2 shots is WORSE for town than taking 3 shots, so I encourage you to shoot MVT.  With 2 shots expected value is only 1, meaning we're expected to come out even as well, but it's harder to get ahead.  Only 1 of the 4 scenarios ends with more maf/jester killed than town, while 4 scenarios in the 3 shooter version end with more maf/jester killed.

The mafia's night shot just adds to the chances of taking out a jester.
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Reply #83 - 01/30/11 at 14:11:02
 
sword and scott teaming up....  i'm keeping my vote on scott, and i still think a lynch should happen.  regardless of how different this game is, lynching on the first day, no matter what, seems to me to be the best way to learn what to do for the rest of the game.  yeah we would be taking a chance, but i think its a necessary one.
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Reply #84 - 01/30/11 at 14:16:52
 
Oh.  I see Honko is making sure we read that now.  Thanks Scotty boy!  I owe you some broccoli.
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Reply #85 - 01/30/11 at 14:23:16
 
IsThatAGoodTime wrote on 01/30/11 at 12:49:12:
I encourage you to shoot MVT.

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Reply #86 - 01/30/11 at 14:25:54
 
Whoa whoa whoa! That's not the intended meaning.  I was speaking to MVT, telling him he'd be best off taking a shot.  I wasn't telling anyone to kill him off.
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Reply #87 - 01/30/11 at 14:30:12
 
padz wrote on 01/30/11 at 14:23:16:
IsThatAGoodTime wrote on 01/30/11 at 12:49:12:
I encourage you to shoot MVT.

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Go for it.  You're only making your cause worse and lessening the town's chances.  I can't believe you have read me this incorrectly this game. Kiss Smiley  I expected better from you.  I thought you had more intelligence than this.  Maybe your reading comprehension is just poor.  

But hey.  Like I said, do as you wish.  I'm not going to push people into doing certain night actions.  Even if I'm dead I trust that there are enough smart players playing this game that they will be able to piece together the puzzle D2.

Still want to hear from Darius on why he ultimately decided to go against no lynch.
Still want to hear from Calibur because he is playing terribly.
Still want to hear from padz why he thinks I am susp.
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Reply #88 - 01/30/11 at 14:33:34
 
i think your sus because scott told me to shoot u and hes prolly scummate
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Reply #89 - 01/30/11 at 14:37:22
 
padz wrote on 01/30/11 at 14:23:16:
IsThatAGoodTime wrote on 01/30/11 at 12:49:12:
I encourage you to shoot, MVT.

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Quote fixed.  You're clearly misreading my intention with that post.
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Reply #90 - 01/30/11 at 14:53:46
 
well i sure am glad youre there to clarify that, i bet everyone else would have been left in the dark otherwise!
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Reply #91 - 01/30/11 at 17:13:51
 
3 votes for no lynch?  seriously guys?  day ends in less than 5 hours and we're going to learn next to nothing about anyone today.

also, idk why there are still two votes on me.  i explained myself pretty well (at least i felt like i did), and its like i got completely ignored.  what more do you want from me?  Sad
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Reply #92 - 01/30/11 at 17:46:33
 
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oh man i am so clever he doesnt want to nl but hes whining about having votes on him so im gonna stick it to him by voting him oned i bet hell never see this one coming
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Reply #93 - 01/30/11 at 18:09:20
 
padz, tell me what you want me to say.  i dont know how else to defend myself.  i've explained my position, i explained my first couple of stupid posts, and now i'm saying what i think we should do before this day is over.
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Reply #94 - 01/30/11 at 18:24:52
 
Somebody use their brain and vote no lynch to put it as the majority!!
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Reply #95 - 01/30/11 at 18:26:05
 
Votals
[3] No Lynch - MVT, Kmacc, Sword
[2] Koopz - Darius, (Sportsguy), padz
[1] MVT - (padz), Sportsguy
[1] padz - Calibur
[1] Scott - (KoopZ), KoopZ
[0] Sportsguy - (Sword), (KoopZ)
[0] Calibur - (MVT)

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Reply #96 - 01/30/11 at 18:26:13
 
There are still several hours remaining, MVT.  If needed I'll surely cast my vote in the proper direction.
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Reply #97 - 01/30/11 at 18:26:17
 
huh?? is no lynch a hated townie????
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Reply #98 - 01/30/11 at 18:42:13
 
TellTale wrote on 01/30/11 at 11:16:59:
Calibur - Seems mafiaish.


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na but legit padz is scum. obviously a no lynch is the best option, even though padz is maf.

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no need to lynch anyone anyway since maf will kill someone tonight; just go off of that bit of information for tomorrow + possible kills from vigs instead of risking the lynch of a jester.

ask anymore questions you may have for me now since i'll be here until the EOD.
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Reply #99 - 01/30/11 at 18:48:55
 
Darius wrote on 01/29/11 at 14:25:00:
No lynch has its drawbacks here. For a start, town PRs have no information to go off, so instead of a shot in the dark during the day, we've got a bunch of PRs at night who have no concrete information to base their decisions on. It does have the benefits of guaranteeing we don't let a jester win, but it also ensures that we don't lynch scum. Technically town could lose 4 players overnight too, so by no-lynching we could automatically hand the initiative to scum and the jesters. It all really depends how much people are willing to trust the vigs & roleblockers to make a good decision based on no info tonight; they could win or lose the game in one night, really. My instinct is that we should lynch, because any information is better than no information.



darius said it best, right here.  we need a lynch today gents, and even if it ends up being me, the town can still learn something from who voted for me (or someone else) and who didnt.

that being said, i've re-read the topic again, and scott has done almost nothing except make grand proclamations about things that need to be done, agreed with a lot of things other people have said, but has brought very little actual information to the table.  all of his posts are very wordy, he talks of good and evil (it is just a game dude), but has otherwise contributed nothing.

and padz:
padz wrote on 01/29/11 at 21:43:34:
to be clear, nl is still a terrible idea d1 and anyone suggesting it should be ashamed of themselves


i'm glad to see you agree with me and darius about no lynch being a bad idea.  so why are you voting for me now?
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