My real problem is, if we're being careful and no-lynching, where do you draw the line? If MVT's policy of doing nothing is followed, we might end up tomorrow with no further leads, and if we make it to tomorrow with 2 jesters still alive, are we no-lynching again? At what point are the no-lynchers happy to lynch in this game? With 1 jester dead? Only when both jesters are dead? Do people think all the vigs should shoot tonight? If not, do they all not shoot, or should only one or two of them shoot? Until people have answers to these questions, I'm not happy with a no lynch because we might end up in a position tomorrow where people say 'I'm not lynching, we might let the jesters win' and we end up just sitting here waiting for the scum to take people out.

Votals
[2] No Lynch - MVT, Kmacc
[1] padz - Calibur
[1] Koopz - Darius
[1] MVT - padz
[1] KoopZ - Sportsguy
[1] Sportsguy - (Sword), KoopZ
[0] Scott - (KoopZ)
[0] Calibur - (MVT)

Day ends in 11.5 hours.

Reminder that everyone should carefully read the rules if they haven't done so already.

Padz strikes me as a vig.  He might be stupid enough to kill me tonight considering how he said he's willing to risk the entire game on me being maf.  Sorry dude but you got the wrong read this time.

I also think Calibur needs to step us his game. Not really doing too much in the way of posting ... what is your stand on the no lynch / lynch situation?

Padz, your post is complete dildos. Risk the game on Day 1 with an MVT lynch? What the hell ... we should vote today because the odds of hitting Jester are slightly lower? I wouldn't actually agree. You're just basing it off of player ratio, not taking into account that Day 2 we will be able to read people better.

I think come tomorrow we'll have a better idea where everyone stands. Which would mean we have a better idea on who is more likely to be a Jester than not. And who is more likely to be scum or not.

Why the fuck are we basing the whole game around Jesters anyway? If you really don't want a Jester to be lynched then you'll no lynch in hopes that the vigs / mafia nail one tonight. Simple as.

Darius, in no way did anyone indicate that a No Lynch will be the way to go for Day 2. Infact since the fluff day will be over, and perhaps a few people will have died, we have way more to work with, and I can pretty much guarantee it'll be the opposite. Besides, you have no obligation to use your power Night 1 ... it will usually come down to luck, anyway.

I'm only really favouring the no lynch since Day 1 is mostly trash, not much has happened except -

MVT has roleclaimed
Sportsguy has threatened Koopz
Scott has been acting scummy
Koopz has been posting really bizarre shit

I don't think any of the above is enough to make a decision on a lynch. The day is done in just over 10 hours, so unless something drastic happens, I don't really feel comfortable risking the entire fate of the game on Day 1.

Vote: No Lynch

Old quote.

Calibur wrote on 01/29/11 at 11:55:21:


That sentence should directly lead into a no lynch vote with the logic it uses.
If he doesn't vote no lynch after this statement he is suspicious as fuck.

Calibur where are you dude?

Sword, my concern is that Day 2 will be people repeating how no lynch is still a good idea. I just don't want no lynch to be a viable argument for the rest of the game because it gives scum an easy ride by letting them know they can just push it instead of conducting some genuine scumhunting. I think the consensus of the town is starting to lean towards NL precisely because most people have been lazy and just saying 'yeah, it's a shot in the dark to lynch'. If we no lynch today, nobody should be allowed to get away with that argument tomorrow, but I bet some people are still going to try it if not much happens tonight.

my first couple of posts were just me having fun.  i was surprised to be included in the game like i said in my first post and that the game started already.

i wasnt lying about scott seeming really weird though.  usually from his posts i sense this kind of urgent sincerity to beat the mafia, but now it just seems like he's trying to be this grand MC and trying to be the leader of everything so he can direct us in whatever way he deems fit.  this is just how i'm seeing it though.

my vote to tyler is just a reference to past games and was made cuz thats usually how i start my mafia games, but my very first vote on scott was for real.  i just get a wrong vibe from him.  believe what you want about my first couple of posts.

unvote

Vote Scott

Not gunna lie, Scott did rub me the wrong way as well.  I don't see his URGENCY like when he was town in the past.

Also if Darius doesn't end up voting no lynch he is sus.  Hell even if he does end up doing that it he is still sus simply because he is so against it.

@Koopz: If Scott was mafia, he would be making it pretty obvious by your standards. Scott has done some screwy things in the past, but I don't think he would oust himself so easily.

Maybe he wants that suspicion on him, because he's jester?

You have to understand that in this game, some people have the motive to want to get lynched. They want to look suspicious, but not overly suspicious to the point it could be obvious that they're jester.

If he were jester, you'd be buying into his plan perfectly.

Maybe he's just changing his playing style for fun, I don't know.

@Darius: We wouldn't be advocating a no lynch on day 2. Even if there's a no lynch today and virtually nothing happens during night 1, I think we have at least a few small leads to go by for day 2. Day 1 usually isn't very eventful, but as a group, there has been some disconnects and that will surely cause speculation.

Not sure why but Scott rubbed me as a jester right away.

A few people have read me so far as being extremely different than my previous play, mainly due to a "lack of urgency" to kill the mafia.  This game is quite different than any game we've played together.  Normally half the game's population are Vanillas who have no idea what's going on or how to play the game.  There will be 4 people out of 23 that post like 2 times on day 1, and a group of 5 or so who are mafia.  Here the numbers are different and the game is going to play out way differently.

With my first few posts I was just trying to calm the thread down so we could skip the whole "HAI LOOK IM TOWN LOOK AT ME" and other stupid things that happen at the start of the game.  Not trying to be controlling, more like an effort to keep anyone from doing anything outlandish.

Darius, I see you're asking for my firm stance.  I'm in the camp against lynching still, as I stated earlier.  I'd rather see 3 town and 1 mafia take shots in the dark (likely to be blocked) at who they think could be the jester rather than trying to come to a group consensus right now.  There really is never any way to know who is a mafia member on Day 1, especially when there are only 2 of them in a 9 person game.  There are no big voting trends to try to pick on, there is less ability of the mafia to overrule an otherwise majority vote, and this is a very dangerous game.  Call it a lack of urgency if you wish, but I'd rather take the 3x(1/2) chance for Town to do something productive and the 1x(1/3) chance for mafia to take out a jester at night than a total guess by day with a 2/9 chance of ending it all and a 7/9 chance of hurting town's night power greatly.

After Night 1 we will have to reassess remaining powers and it will likely be a better idea to lynch the 2nd time around, especially if a jester is killed but not a mafia.  Chances are good that a jester will get taken out Night 1 because RBs should be letting the carnage happen at this point.  Basically I see the best thing for town as all night shots going through cleanly and taking out hopefully a mafia and happily a jester.

I still would like to hear from Calibur and padz before the day ends though!

Edit - Also would like Darius to vote No Lynch.  Especially after we explained to him why and promised to not use it as a crutch in the future.  He had no objections with the reasoning and I don't see why he won't just vote no lynch at this point.