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Question: Do you believe in God?

Yes (specific religion)  
  50 (23%)
Yes (but no existing religion)  
  15 (6.9%)
Agnostic (Maybe)  
  30 (13.8%)
Atheist (Don't believe)  
  101 (46.5%)
Don't care.  
  21 (9.6%)




Total votes: 217
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Reply #150 - 02/04/11 at 21:11:08
 
Today I decided to find out if god is real or not.

I yelled up into the sky and said, "God if you're there show me and I will believe in you." After waiting 30 minutes I gave up. That moment I finally decided for sure he's not real.
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Reply #151 - 02/04/11 at 21:12:17
 
I lol'd hard  Grin
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Reply #152 - 02/04/11 at 21:43:22
 
Patricio wrote on 02/04/11 at 21:11:08:
Today I decided to find out if god is real or not.

I yelled up into the sky and said, "God if you're there show me and I will believe in you." After waiting 30 minutes I gave up. That moment I finally decided for sure he's not real.


LOL

as if the sky you were looking at isn't an example of God showing you that he's there.
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Reply #153 - 02/04/11 at 22:47:19
 
goose supposedly you have the highest intellect in the community? Explain why you believe in God.
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Reply #154 - 02/05/11 at 00:34:59
 
Okay.  I'll explain why there is a God as simply as I can.  This post is not trolling at all, for the record.


Introduction: We all hold science in good faith.  Science strives to figure out what usually happens in certain situations, what the result or reaction will be, how to use it practically, and a billion other things.  There are a lot of scientific facts out there which we live our everyday lives taking for granted.

Example 1: When we hold an object above a surface and drop the object, it will usually fall downwards to the surface.  This is known as gravity.  Science goes to explain that all objects have gravity; the larger the object, the larger the gravity.  Objects can be trapped in a larger object's gravity (like you and I on Earth,) they can be in orbit around another object (like the moon around the Earth) or they can slowly be pulling faraway objects together (like the Andromeda Galaxy pulling in the Milky Way.)

But why?

See, a lot of people in the world are level 1 thinkers.  They go "God exits bcuz the b1bal tellz us."  Most people on kart are level 2 or 3 thinkers and deny the existence of God based on the fact that they have free will, inconsistencies in the Bible and other mundane things.

Now let me repeat.

Why?

Why does gravity exist?  Can science explain that?

Example 2: Water exists in our universe.  It's comprised of 2 hydrogen molecules and 1 oxygen molecule.  It's fluid, and most life we know of is based on water.  This is why we require it to live and why it feels neutral to us.  [side note: a form of life based on another element, say arsenic, would not have water feel neutral to it.  It would be extremely basic {the opposite of acidic} for this life form.]  Water freezes (becomes solid) at 0° C, 32° F; and boils (becomes a gas) at 100° C, 212° F.

But why?

Science doesn't explain why all these facts are true of water.


Conclusion: Science explains the way God created and controls the universe.  

God created things for a reason we will probably never know.

Gravity doesn't make sense from a completely unbiased point of view.  (It doesn't not make sense either, if you still follow Wink)  It just IS.  There just IS gravity in this universe.  We know this because of science.  But why IS there gravity?  It's probably because God decided it would be an orderly way to keep things in our universe.  It would create order and prevent things from flying apart, being separated, essentially powerless to be self-mobile and countless other things.

Why does water exist?  Why does it freeze and boil?  What is temperature?  None of these things again, without external factors, have an explanation.  Sure, science can tell you that the particles of water get excited when heated up and eventually separate into steam, but WHY does it do that?  God probably created it that way for a reason, which we may or may never know.


The Big Bang theory suggests that "nothing exploded and created everything."  I'm not going to hate on that theory right now, but even if it is true, there is still no explanation for anything.  There's no explanation as to why the elements in our universe are there, in place of other elements.  There's no explanation as to why we live in 3 dimensional space.  There's no explanation of why time passes.  Science will go on and try to explain why these things are so, but it will never find a purpose for them or tell us why it is this way instead of another way.

So to reiterate;

Science is simply a human's way of interpreting the universe given to us by God.

I really can't just bring myself to believe that "everything is the way it is, because."
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Reply #155 - 02/05/11 at 01:35:03
 
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"Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." ~G. K. Chesterton


That's not a bad quote, but the keyword is "solid". Religion is shaky at best and not particularly solid. Holding the opinion that blacks are inferior to whites is likewise shaky (what does it even mean?!) and that's why I view both of those opinions, if close-minded enough, as equally pitiful. Respect should be earned, not freely handed out like charity, and religion doesn't get special treatment.

Edit: Goose is just trolling. Grin
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Reply #156 - 02/05/11 at 09:14:45
 
Shock wrote on 02/04/11 at 20:31:58:
Timothy wrote on 02/04/11 at 20:05:11:
Nstride got own't lololololol


Glad I could be on your list of people to laugh at on this forum. Smiley Judging by your last 15 posts or so, you seem to really be building a list.

@Alex: I think it would be good to be open minded to the possibility that it can be a beneficial thing to be close minded on topics that we will never know everything about, after one has done a lot of research and been open minded on it in the past.

"Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." ~G. K. Chesterton


Wtf are you on about?  I don't have a hate campaign, no need to be bitter.
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Re: God?
Reply #157 - 02/05/11 at 09:37:32
 
To answer your question:...


Timothy wrote on 02/04/11 at 20:05:11:
Nstride got own't lololololol



Timothy wrote on 02/03/11 at 18:13:32:
What a horrible piece of music.



Timothy wrote on 01/27/11 at 01:31:03:
^ Would just like to point out how retarded this is.

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Timothy wrote on 01/21/11 at 21:14:25:
^ Fuck you and your stupid retarded American 'I can't speak English' grammar.  


Timothy wrote on 01/14/11 at 06:12:12:
Oh shut up.  You probably have a crooked foot because of all that undue weight it can't support.


Timothy wrote on 01/11/11 at 06:50:18:
Your run is void.  Undecided

And your shroom strat sucks.  Smiley


Timothy wrote on 01/07/11 at 11:23:46:
This post is full of disappointment.


...for example.

I just have the general impression that you like to pick out posts that "fail" and give... your opinion on them. I'm not bitter; it's only gotten to the point that when I see you have posted, my instinct thought has been "Hm. I wonder what post he's going to tear apart now."

Don't get me wrong though; I know you can and recently have contributed some good information. Smiley
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Re: God?
Reply #158 - 02/05/11 at 09:57:25
 
The major problem with Goose's post is that science doesn't really explain the why, it explains the what and how. Science explains why in a few cases, but in general the why question is left to philosophers.

On the topic of being closed-minded (or open-minded but not budging position). Scientists can be open minded to a variety of theories. If the Big Bang theory is proven wrong, they just say, "Oh well, let's work to develop another theory." However, if it is proven that there is no God, it will destroy the beliefs of 70-80% of the world's population*, and that's something they won't get back. It would be devastating. No wonder why many people are resistant to renouncing their beliefs.
*I don't know the exact percentage, I'm just kinda throwing this number out there. But this guess includes all religions, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Re: God?
Reply #159 - 02/05/11 at 11:38:25
 
I'm Agnostic. It just seems like the easiest way to go. You can't prove he's there, but you can't prove he isn't or never was.

This YouTube channel has some really interesting videos which go along with Atheism and trying to show that Christianity is really broken:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector


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Edit: Oh, some reasoning for my beliefs: I was raised Christian. My family and I attended a Baptist church. Every night I would question the existence of God, then immediately stop myself because I felt I might be punished for it. I didn't want to go to Hell, so I convinced myself that I believed. After so long, I couldn't take it anymore. I finally came to terms with myself and stopped lying to myself. I only "believed" because I was scared of going to Hell. After I realized that, I stopped lying to myself.
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Re: God?
Reply #160 - 02/05/11 at 12:31:49
 
Timothy wrote on 02/04/11 at 20:05:11:
Nstride got own't lololololol


Because you did.

Timothy wrote on 02/03/11 at 18:13:32:
What a horrible piece of music.


That's an opinion on the music, I didn't insult anyone.

Timothy wrote on 01/27/11 at 01:31:03:
^ Would just like to point out how retarded this is.


Yeah man.

Timothy wrote on 01/21/11 at 21:14:25:
^ Fuck you and your stupid retarded American 'I can't speak English' grammar.  


Well maybe Americans should stop saying "off of".

Timothy wrote on 01/14/11 at 06:12:12:
Oh shut up.  You probably have a crooked foot because of all that undue weight it can't support.


It's Harvey, what do you expect?

Timothy wrote on 01/11/11 at 06:50:18:
Your run is void.  Undecided

And your shroom strat sucks.  Smiley


What's wrong with that?

Timothy wrote on 01/07/11 at 11:23:46:
This post is full of disappointment.


Someone unqualified to have an opinion on something.



Anyway... this is getting off topic.
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Reply #161 - 02/05/11 at 14:23:30
 
Dan H wrote on 02/05/11 at 09:57:25:
The major problem with Goose's post is that science doesn't really explain the why, it explains the what and how.


WOW.  BRILLIANT WORDS!  You have really disproven the existence of God.  WELL DONE.
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Reply #162 - 02/05/11 at 18:20:15
 
it is true though, science doesn't claim to know why things are the way they are, science only explains how things work and how that could help us. In doing so, it also proves how must stuff in the bible, or whatever religious book you take, isn't true.

If there is no god, then in no way it is possible to disprove his existence. I don't care either about disproving him, nor do i think much other atheist care.

Not believing until disproven is such a dumb argument, it could basicly make me believe anything. Flying spaghetti monster anyone?

I swear i planned not to post in this topic.
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Reply #163 - 02/05/11 at 19:10:37
 
Dan H wrote on 02/05/11 at 09:57:25:
The major problem with Goose's post is that science doesn't really explain the why

Personally, I thought the major problem with Goose's posts is that it's a god-of-the-gaps argument: "there's some things I don't know and nobody has explained their origin to me, so I am nonchalantly going to assert that they are all caused by a single magic sky entity -- who is many times more mysterious and complex than all of the things I'm trying to explain by introducing him -- but I am also going to avoid explaining how 'He' works because one of his magic sky qualities is that he should be unexplainable to the minds of men, and I am perfectly okay with this line of faulty reasoning". It's a pretty old argument and I don't think many self-confessed intelligent people take it seriously.

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However, if it is proven that there is no God, it will destroy the beliefs of 70-80% of the world's population*, and that's something they won't get back. It would be devastating. No wonder why many people are resistant to renouncing their beliefs. *I don't know the exact percentage, I'm just kinda throwing this number out there. But this guess includes all religions, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

This is an interesting point and religion probably does have many benefits. But don't you agree that most religions are incompatible? Does that mean you already disbelieve 999 religions and believe just 1? It's impossible for me to pick out the most-right one out of 1000 and be able to explain why it is right and the other 999 wrong, so my best guess is that all 1000 of them are probably wrong.
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Reply #164 - 02/05/11 at 19:23:44
 
AlexPenev wrote on 02/05/11 at 19:10:37:
and I don't think many self-confessed intelligent people take it seriously.

whoa i better not take it seriously then!
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Reply #165 - 02/05/11 at 19:44:17
 
For all the people who believe in God here.

What exactly do you think of those who believe in Allah or Buddha?

Do you think they are praying to someone who doesn't exist?

This is an honest question, not trying to troll or anything
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Reply #166 - 02/05/11 at 19:50:04
 
I respect those beliefs. I have mine they have theirs. i try to show comparisons between theirs and mine.
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Reply #167 - 02/05/11 at 20:02:24
 
Fank009 wrote on 02/05/11 at 19:50:04:
I respect those beliefs. I have mine they have theirs. i try to show comparisons between theirs and mine.


yes but one of you has to be wrong in your belief. Either one of you believes in a fake god, or their both fake.
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Reply #168 - 02/05/11 at 20:05:57
 
p sure thats implied pat
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Reply #169 - 02/05/11 at 20:48:16
 
Patricio wrote on 02/05/11 at 20:02:24:
Fank009 wrote on 02/05/11 at 19:50:04:
I respect those beliefs. I have mine they have theirs. i try to show comparisons between theirs and mine.


yes but one of you has to be wrong in your belief. Either one of you believes in a fake god, or their both fake.


I was talking about from my perspective IF My religion is true (im going for the unbiased opinion and say it is Cheesy)

(do i have to spell everything out here???
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Reply #170 - 02/05/11 at 22:50:08
 
You people just don't "get it."
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Reply #171 - 02/06/11 at 00:38:48
 
Goose wrote on 02/05/11 at 22:50:08:
You people just don't "get it."


It seems to me like you're just trying to justify the existence of something that fits nicely into your perception of reality. Or are you certain that he exists? How can you say that science explains god's creation when there are so many contradictions between contemporary science and scripture?

For example, science says the universe is much older than the bible is interpreted as saying it is.

Science supports evolution,
Creationism supports... creation..

By saying that we don't get it is like saying that we're not a part of some esoteric group that understands the concise truth of nature and the universe and everything else. Those things just don't make sense to us. How vain of you to say that you have the answers. Nobody does.
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Reply #172 - 02/06/11 at 01:26:56
 
HAHAIEUHAIUEHAIUHEIAUHEIAUHEAUIAhaAIUEHAIUEHAIUHEAIUHEIAHI @ SCRIPTURE = GOD'S EXISTENCE

OH MY GOD I AM LITERALLY DYING ON THE FLOOR LAUHGING RIGHT NOW
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Reply #174 - 02/06/11 at 01:28:30
 
Actually w/e, under your avatar it says "Peace is Hell."  You're obviously some kind of Satanic death metal troll so lost in a subculture that you're hopeless.
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