stelzig wrote on 11/15/11 at 10:52:20:I'd like to think the system could still be slightly based on trust, especially when we're talking on a handheld (at least to me its more of a hassle to record on a handheld, even if proper replays are in the game).
Sure. People who have proven themselves several times in other MKs shouldn't have as much proof constraints as completely new players (I already mentioned that in one of my other threads, the one related to time updating). However the highly trusted players could at least show the example to others by relatively regularly video taping their runs, to demonstrate that our community is being serious.
stelzig wrote on 11/15/11 at 10:52:20:Pics for soft-proof for low-level players (how many of these should we even ask for proof in the first place?) or for an odd record for a trusted and well known member of the community should still be fine. Only if something seems really fishy from a known player should a video really be demanded imo.
Fair enough, and I definitely agree with your last point.
stelzig wrote on 11/15/11 at 10:52:20:Even pics shouldn't be given for every single record unless it's really suspicious. Quite a hassle for people to have to throw in proof everytime they get a record, especially in the beginning where you'll probably break your old time pretty often.
I don't expect the proof policies to be strong for the first month of the game. A WR or high ranked time can be validated by just appearing on Nintendo or on friend records at first, even if a video from time to time will be appreciable. Later on, the proof policies will be strengthened with time and the apparition of cheats.
stelzig wrote on 11/15/11 at 10:52:20:If ghosts are easy to transfer over wifi though, then I guess pics can be removed from the system completely, and just be sent if people have trouble trusting a record.
We have to consider the few who don't have wifi though. I know that in the Christmas period I won't have wifi so if I were to pull off WR's I would certainly prove them by videos. If we were to find someone submitting a picture of a top time without it appearing on wifi there is a legit suspicion to have. I say this because we have had bad precedents on MKWii (especially from my experience with the french community)
stelzig wrote on 11/15/11 at 10:52:20:In MKDS I never got the impression that people demanded proof every time you set a WR. Often a video of the replay (or live replay when the AR code was made) or a pic would be posted simply because the player wanted to show it, but it wasn't like people didn't trust the top players who had already proved themselves so many times. Don't see why it should be different now. I know I never doubted zgetto or TB when they beat my records, even though they didn't (neccesarily) sent me a vid or a pic.
Well that may be your case and that may have been the case for everyone in the past, but times have changed. Since then we have had the cases of Jorge, Mander, Fenner... etc, which damaged the trust factor.
Since the fuckfest in MKWii, many players expect to see at least some form of strong proof that they achieved their times. Again there has been precedents in MKWii where the legitimacy of some flap WR's unproved for months has been doubted (and I'm not talking about random players but top 10 players...)
Go check the MKWii board and you'll notice that to this day top 10 players and WR holders are still occasionally deemed cheaters by some members, and are asked regularly for streamings, even though they made several videos in the past. We certainly don't want that to happen here again.
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