Honestly I really hated this game. After N3 I was confident that Shock was the last mafia. MVT started the lynch on Web and I was right behind, people paired us two as maf buddies. You all hammered MVT although he was OBVTOWN, and then assuming I'm mafia and lynching me the next day when Ivo even said I wouldn't be around to defend myself. Totally terrible play the day I got lynched. I even asked Ivo that day if he could open it around 12:30 since it was 24 hours after the MVT lynch and since I leave for school around 6:50. But no, he opens it at 7:00 and PM'd me thinking he did a huge favor for me by opening the day 10 minutes after I left. The day before I couldn't post since you all bandwagoned on MVT and that day started about 20 minutes after I left.

Five townies didn't know their role 100%. RDBU, myself, RVZ, Honko, MVT. I think this is way too many townies that don't know their role. Having a Hated Townie, Naive Doctor, and since RVZ was dead D1 Honko was now useless. When we lynched RVZ and saw the TT, I (along with everyone else) assumed it meant Town Targeteer. How would we know that TT was Trolling Tony? You didn't do us any favors by posting that tidbit of info.

And Tom, before you post thinking you played a good game, trust me, you didn't. You seriously are the worst mafia player ever and you would have been dead so easily if MVT and I didn't save your ass twice (then you suspect and try to kill us both), and if you hadn't been immune to kills at night. This game was set up very nicely for you. Cop scans would have made you look innocent, you couldn't die at night, and there wasn't a tracker/watcher to witness you killing anyone. I told you on N3 to kill either Padz or Shock, and even though you got blocked, you went after MVT, then you went after me, and that was that.

As for my roleclaim at the end, well, there was no way I could claim Lethal Luigi Town Insane Cop without it looking fake. So I went with a watcher role and it didn't matter since Shock had to be the last mafia. The rest of my post was worded to try to get Shock to not snap lynch me. I kinda hoped either Tom or Third saw my claim first and at least unvoted me to prevent this.

Just a few thoughts/comments about the game. I didn't play a great game either, but man, some of you guys were pretty clueless and too quick to end the days. I'm not counting this towards my record since this whole game rested in the hands of a few reckless people.

Well, that was unexpected. Honestly didn't think town could literally lose control as it did but apparently exactly that happened.

I'm just so torn that the likes of Thiradell and RDBU could completely ignore the tracks that Honko, Myself, Zwiebel and Padz had left. I literally could not believe it. Ivo might as well have deleted all the posts from the day when the day ended, since NOONE looked back over to see what was said, apart from MVT. Yet NOONE listened to him half the time.

People are always killed for a reason most of the time. I spent alot of time breaking down what other people said and most people ignored it. Were my posts tl;dr? Is that why none of you read them?

I apologise to Ivo for what I said when MVT was lynched with 3 votes, not 4, but I've never heard of hated townie before, neither had anyone else, and you didn't specifically make any efforts to make this obvious. But this in itself contributed to towns loss since MVT was unable to defend himself (the day would have ended before any of his posts because he had 3 before he started posting).

Oneshot lynch was understandable but the MVT lynch was a joke, as was the Brett one. It sickened me to watch Tom place votes on both players without saying a fucking word, knowing he was destroying the town. None of you could see that?

Thiradell played such a bad game. I don't think he could blame it on his role either - his role stated he had to follow oneshots votes, he coulda formulated his own opinion. RDBU was new so I'll cut him some slack, but he did follow alot of lynches, and then decided to start a lynch that marked the fate of town.

I found Gaff really hard to play with, his arrogance sickened me and I noticed how quiet he went when pretty much every single one of his suspicions was wrong after Zarkov, literally thought that the lucky shot on Zarkov gave him super human abilities and filled his head with hot air. What a huge pleb.

I laughed at how he said Shock was major sus and would be worth looking into, then proceeded to vote for every single player bar Shock! Pretty much confirmed the SK rumours in the early phase of the game because he knew that with Shock dead town would off him next.

You don't think giving RDBU a dud role and force him to talk in almost unreadable text as being a little unfair, Ivo?

But it was very annoying watching all the work I and others had put in Day 2 just be thrown out the window for the rest of the game. It's almost as if Thiradell and RDBU wanted to lose.

A question for Ivo - What happened to Thiradell after Oneshot was killed? Did he have a free mind? Did he have to follow the general bandwagon? Did you decide who he voted for? What happened with that?

I also had a very interesting PM with Shock after I died which I will be posting shortly...

My final thoughts are, although the game was indeed very interesting and competitive, but it could have been so much more.

Robertvz wrote on 01/23/11 at 18:34:32:


Not being allowed to know such critical pieces of roles is pretty brutal.  The only case I can see it being ok is with insane cops.  This caused a lot of chaos throughout the game.  After my death people thought the game was broken and ivo made no effort to clarify anything until I yelled at him in the irc chat demanding an answer to what happened and for him to explain it to the rest of the players.  In fact shock sent me a pm after I died saying how disappointed he was that the game got screwed up.  Having such a role and outcome caused a lot of unnecessary chaos and quite frankly was a shitty way to die.  I feel like I could have been able to get people to kill shock considering the sheer volume of evidence.  Looking back now at how bonehead thiradell played I'm not sure I could have convinced him though.  It's not easy to explain but in a mafia game no player should ever have the suspicion that the game got broken or a mistake was made.  Ivo should have pmd me instantly after 3 the votes were reached, notifying me why I died the way I did and then writing that in my death write up.  The chaos from the time ivo closed the topic the first time and from when I forced him to make a clarification did screw up the game since everyone was talking openly as if the game was over in the irc channel.  Also the situation at the end of the game was handled poorly and should never have been such an easy possibility.

I also do not want to play a game with RDBU or Thiradell (proves my theory that eliters should not be allowed to play in games on this board)   again

The game started off fine but some poor situations that could have been avoided with a better set up / hosting decisions sent this game down the toilet.

How was I supposed to know my role was a dud? I likely would have been modkilled for asking.

My post restriction made it hard to post large amounts as well.

I'm surprised I lasted longer than I did tbh.

I'll play Mafia again, but in the format used in Pokemafia 2.0 for example.

Honko wrote on 01/23/11 at 20:40:17:


Pretty funny. Out of all 4 people that you know cheated, you only choose to out me.

For anyone curious, here's what happened beyond the mafia board.

Zwiebel and I shared roles at the beginning of D1. I knew he was the 2-shot vig and he "knew" I was the cop. We decided that if I scanned a mafia N1 that he'd kill them N2.

Me being the insane cop, I had to vote 5 different people to get my scan for the day. I chose to scan Sword, who I figured wouldn't be killed at night. He came back mafia because of my role. I instantly told Zwiebel, who really badly wanted to kill Tom N2. But I convinced him to off Sword, saying that him being Town Miller is the worst thing possible. So eventually he killed Sword.

Now, once I got back and read the topic you can bet I shit a gold brick when Sword not only flipped town, but he flipped doc as well. I asked Sword on MSN if he was doc, he said he was, and also thanked me for telling Zwiebel that he came up mafia in a scan to kill him.

Apparently, Zwiebel told Sword after the kill because he felt bad. After a while, and after a few exchanged screenies, I managed to convince them that I was indeed town and that Sword flipped mafia on a scan. Sword then told me that him and Padz also spoke all game as well, and the three of us (Zwiebel didn't go) all went into an IRC chatroom and Padz told me he was real cop and that Shock flipped mafia on a scan. We made a plan to claim Watcher if one of us died, and say we watched Shock, then we'd kill Tom and town would win. Had we both lived, Padz would have claimed cop and I would have claimed watcher.

So that's basically what happened. If you CBA to read all that, then Zwiebel, myself, Padz, and Sword all conversed outside of the topic, so Padz saying I did and calling me out on it was a bit hypocritical. If you want to ban me from all future mafia games then after seeing the terrible roles assigned here I don't think I'd want to play in many more.

Thought oneshot was suspicious, when I voted for Brett I assumed there were two mafia left and Shock was one, so I just decided to vote for Brett to get it over with. Didn't think about it and that was a terrible play.

However, apparently there was lots of cheating, and almost no one took their roles seriously. Should've lynched Shock sooner, otherwise I had fun and I'd like to play again if people stop doing dumb stuff.

Which I doubt will happen, so I won't be playing any more kart mafia games.

no u

Robertvz wrote on 01/23/11 at 18:34:32:


wtf, i still have no clue what timezone you live in, you never told me. What do you expect, that i know exactly what 6:30 AM is in your local time when i live at the other side of the world?

i opened it up as early as i could and i pm'd you that i opened it as early as i could and that i hoped it was early enough for you. After that it became apparent to me that you were gone already and i posted in the topic that you would be away for a few hours

not much more i can do.

The Gaff wrote on 01/24/11 at 02:25:41:



This. Ivo, I also liked the game and I think you did a really good job with it. It was a game with many fancy roles but you said that from the beginning so no one should be pissed off about his role. I enjoyed it and I hope you don't get too annoyed of those who say otherwise.

And I still can't understand why no one wanted to lynch Gaff on D2...lol. And after I was killed it was obvious that he was SK and still no one seemed to consider lynching him...wtf. Same for Shock, but Tom was a much safer lynch at that time. Well, shit happens

I have no qualms with Ivo at all it was a well run game. I don't think those who cheated should be allowed to play again or at least be made mafia where cheating is cool.